Ep 431– The Reinvention Trap: Why Starting Over Isn’t Your Next Level with Stacey Brass Russell
About Our Guest:
Stacey Brass-Russell is a Transformational Business Strategist and Master Coach who helps service-providers, coaches, and experts grow boutique, high-touch businesses rooted in mastery, human connection, and extraordinary client experiences. A former Broadway performer and sought-after speaker and transformational teacher, Stacey shows entrepreneurs how to use their true expertise — not marketing hacks — to create powerful offers, attract clients through content and relationships, and deliver results that make them irreplaceable. Known for her clear, compassionate directness and her evolution-over-reinvention philosophy, Stacey teaches entrepreneurs how to stay the course, lead with their gifts, and build resilient, relationship-driven businesses while life is happening around them. She is the creator of Your Genius Edge™ and host of Passionate & Prosperous, a globally ranked top 2% podcast.
Episode Summary:
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"There's no such thing as starting over. There's only carrying everything forward." Stacey Brass Russell
Maybe you don't need to reinvent yourself. Maybe you need to stop abandoning yourself every time you're ready for something more. You've built the business, developed the expertise, invested in the certifications, created the frameworks, and accumulated years of experience. But the moment you feel called toward something different, you start questioning everything. Should I rebrand? Change my niche? Launch a new offer? Become more like the people who seem to be winning right now? And before you know it, you're trying to rebuild a version of yourself that never needed to be torn down in the first place. My guest, transformational business and life coach Stacey Brass Russell, challenges the entire premise of starting over and reveals why the evolution you're resisting may be the very thing that allows your next level to emerge. Because the next version of your business may not require a new you. It may require the most honest, integrated, unapologetic version of you yet.
You've spent years building a business, developing your expertise, and becoming the leader you are today. So why does stepping into your next level suddenly make you feel like you have to throw everything away and start over? In this revealing conversation with transformational business and life coach Stacey Brass Russell, we're challenging the obsession with reinventing yourself and exploring why authentic business growth begins with evolution instead. From overcoming comparison and imposter syndrome to building a personal brand that reflects who you really are, Stacey and I explore how to grow your business without abandoning your experience, expertise, or identity. We're also getting into why traditional marketing formulas can disconnect you from your greatest competitive advantage, how to create genuine client transformation in a marketplace overflowing with information, and why your authenticity may be the one thing AI can never replicate. Because your next level doesn't require you to erase who you've been. It requires you to integrate everything you've become.
Here is the truth: reinvention can become another form of performance when you're more concerned with how your next chapter looks than whether it actually reflects who you are. Evolution doesn't require an announcement. It requires the courage to be fully yourself
Get your Move to Millions Podcast notebook ready—you’ll want to take notes on the lessons packed into this incredible conversation! Listen in to discover:
✔ How to evolve without starting your business over
✔ How to align your marketing and offers with your natural genius
✔How to turn expertise into transformation that sets you apart
✔ And so much more
This episode is a call to stop treating change like evidence that something about you needs fixing. Your next level doesn't require you to discard your past. It requires you to recognize the value of everything you've already become.
This is your invitation to stop looking outside yourself for the formula that will finally make you successful. The version of you capable of your next level may already be emerging, but you'll never recognize her while you're busy trying to become somebody else.
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Book | The Gap and the Gain by Dan Sullivan and Dr. Benjamin Hardy |
Quote/scripture | "Change is never a sign of failure. It's always your opportunity to evolve." Stacey Brass Russell |
Tool | Daily affirmations, declarations, and mantras to reinforce the beliefs and identity that support your evolution |
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- "Evolution allows for accumulation."– Darnyelle Jervey Harmon
- "Change is never a sign of failure. It's always your opportunity to evolve." Stacy Brass Russell
- "I believe the ones who are successful are the ones who stop apologizing for who they are and what they bring into the lives of others." Dr. Darnyelle Jervey Harmon
- "AI will never be able to be you." Stacy Brass Russell
- "You cannot have a booming business if you have a busted life." Dr. Darnyelle Jervey Harmon
- Where am I trying to reinvent myself because I haven't fully accepted who I'm becoming?
- What experiences, skills, and wisdom have I been treating as irrelevant when they're actually the foundation of my next level?
- Where am I following someone else's marketing or leadership formula at the expense of my natural strengths?
- If I stopped comparing myself to other entrepreneurs, what would I finally give myself permission to create, say, or do?
- Am I simply providing information to my clients, or am I creating the kind of transformation that makes my expertise truly valuable?
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Darnyelle: [00:00:00] Stacey, Stacey, Stacey, I am so excited to welcome you to the Move to Millions podcast. How are you today?
Stacey: I am great. Thank you so much, Darnyelle, for having me. I'm so excited to be here with you.
Darnyelle: I am excited that you are here for so many reasons. Of course, we have met just this year, but you are an amazing force and somebody that I'm excited to know and to continue getting to know.
But before we jump in, yes, I will have read the bio and all the things, but I always feel like our bios don't really reflect what we want to be known about ourselves, so I wanna just give you an opportunity right off the bat, uh, to share in your own words, what would you like people to know about Stacey?
Stacy: Hmm. Thank you. Well, first thing I always love people to know about me is that I'm a- I'm in New York, I'm in New York City, and I'm a New Yorker, and I feel like that's such a, it's such an important thing to know about me when you hear my energy and the way I, I speak and express myself. Um, [00:01:00] but I'm here in New York.
I'm Stacy Brass Russell, and I'm a, uh, I call myself a transformational business and life coach because I have spent many, many, many years of my life before I was actually a business coach, uh, being someone who was in the world of transformation as a, uh, a yoga teacher, certifying hundreds of people to be yoga teachers, teaching, you know, yoga for almost two decades here- Mm-hmm
in person. And then I became a health and life coach and a master level coach, and then ultimately ended up being a business coach, but for people, or I mostly help people that are out in the world trying to also do this transformational work, and then also help people who want to do big things with the transformational work they need to do in order to do that.
So- Yeah ... um, so I really like to keep the word transformation in there because, um, it feels like such an important guiding, uh- Mm-hmm ... force of, you know, the work I do and [00:02:00] who I am. Um, my background is that I was, I was a Broadway performer. Uh, you know, I, I thought I was gonna be an actor. I thought that was gonna be my whole life.
Mm-hmm. I did that until I was in my 40s actually, and, um, and, you know, have really built, um, uh, this business that I have now over the last, last less than a decade. But I've built a, a business where I feel like I've sort of brought together so many of my, my gifts and my talents and my passions, um, into, you know, my own place where I can g- wake up and do, do the work that I love and support other people.
So yeah, so I'm over here being, being the, the, the theater lover, the New Yorker, the performer, the speaker, the coach, the... All do... I, I feel like I'm doing all the things. So-
Darnyelle: Yeah ...
Stacy: makes me, yeah,
Darnyelle: feel- I love that. And I got excited, I don't know if you caught it when you said transformation. I love that word, and it's the perfect segue way with where I want us to [00:03:00] go in this conversation.
I told you before we started recording, you know, season seven here on the show is really about the place that we get as CEOs, as leaders, where it's no longer about success. Yeah. Our success is not a question. We are going to be successful, full stop. There has to be something that gets beyond that. And so when I think about the use of the word transformation, like that's what does it for me, right?
Like, and I think, you know, I'm a God girl, we've talked about this, be ye transformed, right? The, the transforming, the changing, the, the, the caterpillar to the butterfly, like that whole metamorphosis process. And I know inside of the work that you do, you really focus more on the evolution than reinvention, right?
Stacy: Yes.
Darnyelle: Because that's the only way we can experience transformation. So the one question I have for you, I was thinking about our time together today, um, that I wanted to ask you, is what usually breaks [00:04:00] in your experience with those that you work with when they try to reinvent instead of evolve? What usually breaks for people when that happens?
Stacy: Well, I will tell you that the first thing that happens when someone is thinking the word reinvention over, you know, instead of evolution, is this idea that they're starting over.
Darnyelle: Mm-hmm.
Stacy: And what comes up a lot with the idea of starting over, that doesn't... For most people, that's not an exciting idea. Like, when someone has, uh, gotten...
You know, a lot of my clients, I, I have a range. You know, I definitely work with people who are... I, I do attract sometimes someone who's in their 20s and, you know, and really just starting out, you know, with their first business ever. But for the most part, most of the people that, that I work with are starting a business as a second, you know, maybe th- Mm-hmm
this is, like, a later in life thing. A lot of my clients are, are in their 40s, 50s, 60s, and up. And I [00:05:00] think that as we age, the idea of being, you know, any of those phrases, starting over, back to the drawing board- Yeah ... um, you know, beginning again. I think there's something that im- in there, it, it, it... There's an implied feeling of throwing everything out from before, or that all of what you've invested, time, energy, money, um, you know, was for nothing.
Um- Yeah ... you know, a feeling behind, um, feeling like you're not where you're supposed to be, um, a sense of urgency to, to somehow go from, you know, this new reinvention and m- and having it become something, you know, that's successful or viable or making money or whatever you wanna call it, um, in a really fast way.
Yeah. All of those things that are associated with reinvention, at least in my experience, th- they, they end up holding you back or make... They end up creating so much mind drama- [00:06:00] Yeah ... that, that it gets in your way. And so I think that, like, just the word evolution and the idea that you're not reinventing, because you're still you, and what you should be doing is taking all of that lived experience, that wisdom, that, um, all of your learnings, um, all of your, everything you've accumulated, all of your- Mm-hmm
experience, um- that you're carrying that forward with you, even if what you are wanting to create is maybe a new expression or-
Darnyelle: Mm-hmm ...
Stacy: um, or, you know, or, um, it's almost like a lot of times when people are thinking of the reinvention, a, a lot of times it's, like, the external. It's, like, almost like a rebranding or something.
And I'm like- Yeah ... "Well, that's fine. You can do that, but that doesn't mean that you, the, what's at the core of your work, of your business, of your life, of your purpose, that there's no such thing as starting over. There's only carrying [00:07:00] everything forward." Mm-hmm. And I think that when I help people to see it that way, they feel so much freer, they feel lighter, and they feel, um, they actually feel more, um...
It's like they, they see their accomplishments i- in a different way, and they realize that they're carrying all of that forward with them, and that this is not about, uh, you know, starting from scratch or zero.
Darnyelle: Yeah. I, I love everything that you shared. And what I wrote down, two things really struck me. The first was, um, you're still you, and, and you didn't say it this way, but this is the way I heard it: evolution allows for accumulation.
Stacy: Yes.
Darnyelle: I love that. And then I don't even know if you caught that you said this, but it was so good that I had to, I had to pull it back for us. You said reinvention is external, whereas evolution is internal.
Stacy: Mm-hmm.
Darnyelle: And I- what I love about that, for so many reasons, as I think [00:08:00] about my own evolution, right? I'm just turned 50, as we've had that conversation, and I'm making some suc- substantial and significant changes to my business model and the work that I'm doing moving forward, um- And it has been 100% internal.
Stacy: Yeah.
Darnyelle: 100%. And I feel like, and I wanna get your take on this, I feel like far too often I see it amongst my clients, they don't want to do the internal work. They want the external strategy, or, or to use these words, they don't wanna evolve, they wanna reinvent. They wanna-
Stacy: Yeah ...
Darnyelle: push a boulder uphill, which is way harder than just allowing the being of who they are naturally becoming and what happens as a result of that.
It's, it's like striving versus surrender.
Stacy: Yeah.
Darnyelle: Right? Like reinvention means I'm gonna strive, I'm gonna work hard, I'm gonna hustle, I'm gonna grind. Whereas evolution means I'm gonna surrender. I'm going [00:09:00] to give in to the knowing in my knower that no matter what it is that I do, it is for my best and highest good if I just continue to lean into it.
Stacy: Yeah. Okay, so here's something that just came up for me when you were, when you were, you know, talking about the reinvention being external. And what, what came through for me was I think a lot of times when people are thinking of the reinvention, they're very concerned with that other people or the outside or people, right?
That they're, whatever you wanna call it, uh, whether it's like whether you have a business and you think of it as you have an audience already, or you have, you know, people that know what you do. Mm-hmm. A lot of times the reinvention feels, uh, performative because it feels like, like you're very concerned with having to make this into a package, and it all has to be like this kind of, you know, uh like, neat and [00:10:00] tidy things so that other people are going to be able to see it and, you know, and, and, and see.
And you're, and it's, it, a lot of that comes from the concern of other people having- Mm-hmm ... this announcement or this clarity, you know, that you think they need. And a lot of times when I'm working with my clients through something like this, I have to tell people all the time, I'm like, "Honestly, I don't think you have to worry about announcing anything."
Like, if you've- Mm-hmm ... decided to do something a little different or go in a different direction or lean more, as you put it, into, into this now, or you're really feeling that this is the n- the next sort of, you know, place for you to go-
Darnyelle: Yeah ...
Stacy: just do it. You just have to do it. Just do it.
Darnyelle: Just be
Stacy: it, right?
You're, you're... Yeah. Your audience is gonna go with you on the journey. You don't need to alert them. You don't need to- Yeah ... you know, I literally tell my clients, I'm like, "You don't need to send an email warning people that you're going to start talking [00:11:00] about this now." I'm like- Yeah, just start doing ... "Just
Darnyelle: start talking about it."
Yeah, just start... What, what I love about that, Stacie, and it makes me think about my Ascension Archetypes quiz that we created this year, which really, it allows leaders to understand how they're divinely wired and how, as, as a result of their wiring, they are sabotaging how they lead and how they scale.
And when you said that reinvention feels performative, it made me think about the performer archetype. Performers love the spotlight. No pun intended- Yeah ... on your, you know, your history as a Broadway- Yeah ... star.
Stacy: And I love it. I love it.
Darnyelle: Right. Yeah. But performing, it, it, you're basically saying, "I'm only worth it if I'm on."
Stacy: Right.
Darnyelle: If I never s- allow myself to slow down so that I don't need to be on stage, or if I come down off the stage, I'm no longer gonna be relevant. And I think that is part of the reason why you've seen, it's definitely, I think, the reason I've seen, people choosing to reinvent over evolving, because evolving is so [00:12:00] subtle.
Yeah. You don't have to make an announcement for it. But if you crave the spotlight and, and you're concerned about other people's opinions and what they might think and say- Yeah ... and how they reflect, then you need to have that performative nature. Like, I think I freak people out when I say this. I do not scroll on social media.
I used to when it, you know, back in the day, but I don't today because I recognize in myself that when I scroll, it activates the comparison, I don't even know what to call it, monster. Yep. I'm a middle child, and middle children are often compared and/or invisible, and the only way we get attention is by outdoing the ones that are getting the attention.
My older- Yep ... brother got attention because he was always in trouble. My younger sister got attention 'cause she was the baby, and I was just kinda there trying to figure it out on my own, unless I did something performatively to get the spotlight. And so as I [00:13:00] began to evolve, as I began to come into my own and realize who I am, what I bring to the table, what makes me uniquely me, I recognized that that's a thing that I had to put down.
So when I go on social media, it's very intentional. I'm going in to check notifications, to see if there are messages, to see if people, clients have commented in any of our Facebook groups, which right now we're in the process of moving all of our clients to an off-Facebook platform for community. But anyway, it's literally I'm in, I'm out.
Because even when I post, 9 times out of 10 someone on my team is the one doing the posting, and it protects me and my evolution that I pr- and it prevents me from the urge to wanna go external and figure out how to reinvent. Do you ever find- Yeah ... anything like that yourself?
Stacy: 100%. And I think that, um...
Well first of all, thank you for, you know, for, for articulating that and presencing us to. But I think everybody can relate to, I call it the compare and despair, [00:14:00] right? Yeah. I love that. Where you sort of like, you allow the, you know, you allow the, the, the looking at other people to, you know, to, you compare yourself and then, uh, what I always say is, and rarely are you, are you, is that serving you at the highest level, right?
Mm-hmm. Because the way our, our human, our human brains default to, you know, to, to comparing and then somehow creating a story that somehow the other person is doing it better than us or- Right ... you know, or that we should be more like them because we also make up stories about how successful people are or how much, how many followers they have or all, what all, whatever all the things are.
What I think about evolution and why I think that for some people that inner work is, is challenging, is because it's really about becoming, uh, allowing yourself to believe that your most authentic self is actually the best version of you to be, um, [00:15:00] operating from, right? Yeah. And so when we think of social media, right, and, and, and what people are doing, you've got people on there who love the, the, the entertainment, the performative aspects of it, and that's, they, they enjoy doing that, right?
Yeah. But for most of us, and I know for me, for like 100%, I don't enjoy creating content like that. Mm-hmm. And, and I actually find that w- what I like to create and what, what does... I, I'm not even gonna say what does well. It's not even about social media. It's why I'm a podcaster. It's why, it's why I love podcasting versus spending my time creating content for social media- Hear hear.
is because it is how I get to show up in my full authentic-
Darnyelle: Yeah ...
Stacy: like my authentic self. I get, I come here and I, I'm not trying to do the trendy thing. I'm not trying to, uh, to fit it into a 30 seconds that, with a hook that gets- Right ... people's [00:16:00] attention. Now, listen, first, you know, that in some ways someone could say, "Well, you know, you're not doing all the things that somebody who, you know, is trying to have a successful business should be doing."
But- When I come back to my own authenticity, I'm like, I think I do best when I'm leaning into being the most authentic version of Stacy.
Darnyelle: Yeah.
Stacy: And when I create content and when I do that, that's actually what does the best for me. Um-
Darnyelle: And- Yeah ... all the things work. Yes. So for the person that does the performance on social media in 30 seconds and it goes viral, good for them.
Stacy: Exactly.
Darnyelle: Right? And there's nothing wrong with all the things. We don't- Right ... have to choose. And nine times out of 10, this has always been something I've observed as a person who has worked, excuse me, worked as a coach If I, and I, I do not coach this way, but for the people who [00:17:00] create a way to do something, and then they go out and they teach their way to their clients- Yep
if their way doesn't work for their client, they try to blame the client.
Stacy: 100%.
Darnyelle: But you always, even though I have my own methodology, listeners of the podcast know all about the Move to Millions method, we do not articulate and we don't have any two clients that are working the method the same way because every client is different.
And so it's the same with this. And so what I love about what you just said is that we have to find within ourselves who it is that we are and how that is to be expressed. That's why I love my Ascension Archetype quiz, because it tells you, "This is how you're wired. These are the way, based on your wiring, you can get to millions," if that is in fact your desire, right?
And not for the sake of having the millions, but for what the millions make possible for you, right? So that you can- Yeah ... [00:18:00] donate where you wanna donate, you can leave what you wanna leave, and you can live the way you wanna live. You live in New York, I live in Delaware. I mean-
Stacy: Yep ...
Darnyelle: very, very different. Your cost of living is way different than my cost of living, and both are equally okay, and what we have the ability to bring into our life experience gets to be what works best for us, and there is no wrong answer.
Stacy: Yeah. So it's so interesting because, you know, my... When we met, we met right after or right before... No, right after I had done my live event. Yep. I do my two-day event in New York City, and I introduced my newest sort of, you know, framework, which is called Your Genius Edge. Which is-
Darnyelle: Mm-hmm ...
Stacy: very much prob- I mean, I'm, I'm sure it's, it's different, but it comes from the same sort of philosophy as your Ascension Archetype, you know, quiz.
Which is- Mm-hmm ... which is really about, like, knowing what your, your [00:19:00] genius edge is not only knowing what you're the best at doing, right? Yeah. Literally just like stop looking around at, you know, what, about... Like, stop trying to think that, like, your niche or your whatever you wanna call it, like sort of, you know, your, your thing is something that, that, that has to be crafted as a marketing thing.
But it's actually really should be like what are you the, what are you really great at doing? What are you- Yeah ... what are you the best at doing? But then it needs to be, um, aligned with the offers that you create, right? Like, so what you're selling for your ideal clients and how you deliver the results.
And then the third piece is- This is the big part, your, your attraction m- and sales strategies- Mm-hmm ... need to be aligned with how you're best at showing up in the world. Absolutely. So for someone else to give you, to tell you that, like, a, a social media [00:20:00] strategy, if you're not... But, like, there's a, there's a million ways to be visible.
There are a million ways- A million ... to create content. Yeah. There are a million ways to, um, to show up, um, to, to create, you know, uh, to build the, the know, love, and trust, whatever you wanna call it. Mm-hmm. There's so many ways to do it, and the, one of the, the problems is that people don't n- realize that they should do those things in alignment with what their God-given passionate talents and skills and gifts, and yes, of course, combined with whatever your amazing certifications are and all of the things that you've accumulated that you know that you're great at doing.
But, but at the end of the day, the essence of, like, who you are and how you like showing up and being the most authentic you can be, that's the only way- Yeah ... you're ever not gonna feel salesy. You know, i- a n- number one complaint when people come to me is that [00:21:00] they're, they, they're afraid of seeming salesy.
They, they, they, they're, they, they don't... Like, marketing and sales for them, for a passionate heart-centered leader or coach or whatever, you know, this is the thing that- Yeah ... that they are the most uncomfortable with. And I, and I always say you will never feel or come off as salesy or any of the things you're worried about if you're operating from your most authentic self and you're leaning into what about you makes you great at what you do, and you're- Yeah
using what you're most passionate about. And so I think authenticity for some people feels like they're not doing enough. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, no, it's the opposite, right? It's like when you really figure out how to use what's natural and authentic to you, that is wh- and, and amplify that- Yeah ... that is what's going to get you the best results.
Darnyelle: That is, that is [00:22:00] absolutely the truth. Like, we could really drop the mic right now, Stacey. Like, you- 'Cause I, I know when I think about my own evolution, I'm gonna keep using that word, and my own journey over the last nearly 20 years that I've been doing this work, whenever I experience the biggest revenue year, like whatever the things were, right?
Whatever those external things were, it was when I was me. I think about my event. I host an event every year, um, Move to Millions this past year, or this year, 2025, at the time of the recording. It was in May. Going forward, it's gonna be in the fall. And this last one that I did was the best I have ever been.
And you wanna know why? Because this whole year, 2025, I have been on this journey, this inner sanctum time with God, where He has been calling me out to places outside of my comfort zone, and we [00:23:00] have just been communing. And right before Move to Millions, I was called to Sedona. Had never gone to Sedona before, and Sedona was
I- it was what I didn't even know that I needed at that particular- Yeah ... point in time. It was the energy, it was the fortification, it was the realization that I am in an evolution and it is going to be very different than what it has been and how I show up in the world, and it's completely okay. And when I took that stage Being Darnyelle Antoinette fully, unapologetically, like I believe the ones who are successful are the ones who stop apologizing for who they are and what they bring into the lives of others.
And when I just was all of me, the, the part of me that has ghetto tendencies, the part of me- Yeah ... that is bougie, the part of me that is quirky, when I... The part of me that is a stone cold comedian. When I was just [00:24:00] completely me, completely brilliant, knowing what I know and no one knows it better, the way that it transformed the audience, the way I literally watched them enter the portal and be transmuted into a new version of themselves.
I have chills right now just thinking about it, Stacy. Yeah. And it was everything you just said. Like, when I think about the times when I, I would use these words today, I probably would not have used them then, when, when I've consciously chosen evolution over reinvention.
Stacy: Yep.
Darnyelle: What has always accompanied that journey has been extreme honesty and authenticity, and it is what's made the difference.
So I think that you are spot on there, and I'm so glad that you brought that up. And, and for those of you who are listening or watching this right now, I really want you to, to anchor in and, and check, like where are you not being fully [00:25:00] you? Yeah. And what would happen if you gave yourself the permission to always be you?
I am one of those people, I am not performative on social media. You are not going to find me doing the things that are the trend. I, you know, my team is always like, "We just need to always keep a camera on you because you are brilliant and you say amazing things, and we just have to be there when you do, 'cause if you say, 'Okay, go'" I'm gonna freeze 'cause that's not- Right
how I roll. Right. But if you just let it evolve and let me unfurl, you are gonna get complete magic that is going to show up and be that transformation for other people. So, so good. Okay, I have, I have other questions, but before we move on, anything else coming up for you that you wanna- Yeah ... share right now?
Stacy: Yeah, just when you were, when you were describing you and, you know, you're a little bougie, you're a little ghetto, you've got your comedian, and what came through for me is, like, that, that is, that is complete [00:26:00] integration, right? Mm-hmm. I love it. And it's not thinking that there's a, a buttoned up, um, that there's a right way to be the, the wealth coach, that there's a right way to be the speaker, that there's a right- Yeah
way to be, that there's some, uh, something, you know... And this is a lot of the whole, um, reinvention, evolution thing for me also is, is really, is real- I, I made a podcast episode recently about sort of the difference between, um, getting outside support, looking to other people for, even when we do market research or we ask our peers, like, for, you know, what, what, uh, when we're...
There's great value in getting reflection from other people- Right ... and finding out. And what a lot of people do when they do that is they allow that to usurp their inner [00:27:00] intuition, their own- Yeah ... knowing. Mm-hmm. And what I always say is, like, i- is that at the end of the day, nobody knows the best version of what you should do when you step out onto your own stage.
No one, like a speaker, anybody could tell you, "Oh, well, you know, this is the right, you, this is the tone," or, you know, what, you know, "Don't be funny here," or, "Make sure you seem like you've got your authority," or whatever. And in, i- in my world, the times that I have succeeded the most and had that experience that you just described, which I had the same experience at my own event-
Darnyelle: Yeah
Stacy: giving myself the same... We had a very parallel, you know, experience in our e- in our events this year. Um, it's always when I go, you know what? I know that, like- So and so, the big speaking coach says you should start your thing with the dark soul of the night, and you should tell this transformation, and you should do this.
And every time I've ever tried to fit myself in that box, it feels uncomfortable, [00:28:00] it feels forced, it feels not like me. Yeah. And every time I've ever just gone, "But you know what? My intuition is saying, d- start this way. Be funny, like be relaxed, make everybody feel comfortable. Um, tell a joke." Be... I curse, right?
Now, like- Mm-hmm ... and at my event, you know, I dropped one and I said, "Okay, everybody, we just need to know, like- Mm-hmm ... I, I curse. It's gonna happen." But I think, I think that like when, when we allow ourselves to sort of like take in all of the, the recommendations and we get the coaching and we get the he- whatever, but that if we allow that to overtake- Mm-hmm
us using our inner wisdom, our intuition, and also if we don't allow ourselves to be fully integrated with all- Yeah ... those parts of ourselves. That's what our people want. That's what people want to see. Absolutely.
Darnyelle: They want that. And that is how we don't have to worry about AI.
Stacy: 100%, and that was the [00:29:00] focus of my event, right?
It was like- Yeah ... it was like, you don't have to worry about AI because AI will never be able to be you. No, never. So as long as you know how to be you and you know what makes you unique, different, the best at what you do, why you're the best person for your ideal clients, as long as you know all that and you're willing to like...
You know, I talk all the time about how important it is to be able to brag on ourselves and how important it is to be able to, you know, I'm, I'm like, "Be conceited. I want you to be conceited. If you're my client, I need for you to tell me what makes you so freaking great at what you do-" Absolutely ... "and why you're so awesome."
Because if you don't know that, you're not going to be able to basically own what, like, what you do and who you are, and you're not gonna be able to set yourself apart, not only from AI, but from everyone else who does the same thing as you. Because listen, that whole compare and despair thing, all that's about [00:30:00] is worrying that there's a lot of other people who do the s- We all have tons of people who do the same thing that we do, right?
Darnyelle: Well, and the thing is, you don't wanna be the only person who does what it is that you do, because that means that there's no proof that it's viable and people are actually- Exactly ... gonna buy it. That's why you always see a McDonald's across from a Burger King, across from- Right ... a Chick-fil-A. Like literally- Right
if I'm driving down the road, I pass all the fast food restaurants within a mile of each other, and none- Yep ... of them are going out of business.
Stacy: Right. Right.
Darnyelle: Yeah.
Stacy: Mic drop. Yeah. Oh,
Darnyelle: that, okay, so this has been so, so good. I h- so many different questions I wanna ask, so many different directions I wanna go in, so I'm actually gonna, I'm gonna ask you the two questions, and you tell me which one you wanna-
Stacy: Okay
Darnyelle: go with. Okay. So one of them is I know you work with, uh, with people who are really good, inherently good at what it is that they do. Where do you see capacity becoming the real constraint to growth over strategy? That's question number one. And then option number two [00:31:00] is at what point does expertise stop being the differentiator, and what has to shift for someone to experience the evolution that you know is possible for them?
Stacy: Oh my God. Okay. I'm gonna go with number two.
Darnyelle: Okay. I was hoping you'd pick that one, but I wanted to give you both of them. Okay, I'm excited. Okay.
Stacy: Okay. So one of the things that I do talk about a lot is that... And, and one of the things about AI and everything is that our, our audiences, our clients, our people, they, they don't need, they don't need information, um, from us.
Like, information is free. It's available now. People can... But people could Google everything before we were using ChatGPT, right? Right. I've been talking about information versus transformation for, you know, for a really long time. Um, and so your expertise being the differentiator, right? I think that [00:32:00] the expertise really can't be based in that you know a lot or that you've got a lot of, you know.
I mean, look, I, I'm, I'm all for being very well certified and educated. Mm-hmm. I'm a, I'm a huge, you know, I'm a, I'm very much that person who, um, you know, likes to feel like I'm, I'm really operating in integrity, right? I mean, I taught people how to be yoga teachers for a long time and, and I felt very much like I, I was stewarding a, you know, an ancient philosophy and that it wasn't- Mm-hmm
mine to like, you know, to, to, to make it up, right? Yeah. Like, I wanted to make sure I was honoring, um, the lineage of what I teach and, you know. So I'm very, very big, even as a performer, right? I'm always like, I wanna be true to like, to the, to the, the, the writer's words and the intentions and what the director said.
So I'm, I'm all about that. But then at the same [00:33:00] time, I actually do believe that at a certain point the thing that differentiates us is not our actual knowledge or expertise, but it's our ability. Now this is also with the kind of work I do. Right. So again, like this is like for the people I support are usually service providers.
They're usually- Mm-hmm ... either coaches or they're, they're, they're some sort of, they're people that work with other people, right? Got it. I like to say. They're either teachers or they're service providers or they're coaches and something. And what I, what I, what I talk about is at some point the thing that's going to be the, the, the thing that separates you or differentiates you is your ability to actually help another person- Mm-hmm
to get the outcomes or the transformation that they want. And that is way m- more than having knowledge. It's way more than teaching people a bunch of information or- Yeah ... sharing with them your frameworks, as you said earlier, right? Yep. [00:34:00] But the thing that's really going to, to, to, to be essential, and you know, and I don't wanna, I don't wanna minimize this and say that, you know, it's testimonials and social proof.
That's not really what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is like- Is if you're going to say that you can help somebody to achieve or get some sort of, of outcome that they're coming to you for, right? Yeah. And that person has a, a, a desire or they've got a problem that they, that they need to solve, whatever that is, your ability to really be in it with that person and, and have this, the, the skill to facilitate another person's, uh, transformation or outcomes, if that's your business, that is going to be far greater of a, of a differentiator than how much, how many certifications you have or how much knowledge- Right
you have or how much, right, or being able to [00:35:00] say what your expertise is.
Darnyelle: Yeah.
Stacy: Um, and I'm really into this right now, Darnyelle, because you know that another thing that people have been talking about for the last year or two years is the trust recession, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And the fact that, like, we're going through this time where some people who are in businesses like ours are having a harder time selling.
They're, they're not getting as many conversions or clients, whatever, you know, however we wanna put it. And I am really believe that it's because the, the, the, the trust that's been broken is the trust that the people who are selling services to people actually have the, the ability to help their people actually get outcomes once they've paid them the money.
Darnyelle: Yeah.
Stacy: And I believe that that's the trust recession. I think the trust recession is I paid for this program or this service or this whatever- Mm-hmm ... and at the end I didn't get my, my [00:36:00] outcome. And I think it's because the outcome is something that is diff- is, is... Getting the outcome might be different for everyone, because what we're dealing with are human beings who don't all experience their transformation or getting their results- Yeah.
The same way ... and outcomes in the exact same way.
Darnyelle: Yeah. And I, I have a different stance on the, the trust economy or the trust recession that we're in. Okay. And it's simply this, like the market is just resetting itself. So mostly- Yeah ... a lot of people who haven't been in business, like if you started your company in 2019 and now you're here in 2025, you are like, "What in the hell happened?
I don't know." Yeah. I... It was raining all day every day, and now it feels like a drought. But here's the thing. We go in and out of four markets. A startup market, like right now technically AI is in a startup market. And, and- Yeah ... startup for those of us who are now just becoming aware of it, although AI has been here for [00:37:00] decades, right?
But the, the AI that we know, ChatGPT and Claude and Gemini and all of those, like there's a startup mart- market for that. So you'll see a lot of people getting, um, and scaling fast in that startup. From startup you move into a growth market. A growth market is, is like What happened in COVID-19? There is an external force that creates an external need for people to solve their problems or to create problems to be solved, and all of the service providers get the benefit of that.
We are growing. There's a trajectory. But we spend the majority of our time, I did a series on this on YouTube about the four markets over the last 20 years, most of the time we spend is in the market we're in now, in the mature market. It just looks very different right now- Mm-hmm ... because we just came out of such an explosive growth market.
Yeah. But [00:38:00] most people, most consumers do not just roll up on you and drop $20,000 anytime.
Stacy: Right.
Darnyelle: But in COVID-19, you literally could send a DM and ask one question and have someone wire you $20,000 because of their own way of dealing with the fact of what COVID-19 did to people mentally and emotionally.
Stacy: Yeah.
Darnyelle: And we're not in that now. Now, buyers are being as discerning as they typically are. Right. They are not buying the first thing, and they are not taking you at your word. So to an extent of what you're saying, not necessarily just because maybe they were burned in the, the growth market of COVID-19, all of the people who just popped out out of nowhere and said, "Oh, I can help you do this thing.
Give me your $10,000." Right. Some of it is definitely that, but some of it is just the resetting of the markets. The media and politics determine the market that we're in. Yeah. We are in a very volatile political climate right now. There is a- Yeah ... [00:39:00] lot of confusion and lack of clarity, and when people are unclear, they tighten their purse strings.
Stacy: Yeah.
Darnyelle: Period. That is what we are experiencing, and if you want to ex- if you want to exist in this market, you have to understand that. And it's not, I'm not saying that people are not still buying high-end, high-ticket programs. What I'm saying is the, the trajectory, the progression, the funnel, if you will, that they're leveraging to make those investments has indeed changed.
But those of us who already had that trajectory in place inside of our businesses aren't experiencing something different. If you were always true to what it is that you do, your, the level of impact you experience right now is minimal because you were always a person who could prove, who built trust first, that created an environment for people to make s- to feel safe.
You know, I deal with And spent a lot of time working around money. And safety with [00:40:00] money, feeling safe inside of a transaction, is an innate need that everybody has on both sides of the equation. So when I think about my program Sanctuary, it's not just for those of us who have our own businesses so we can feel safe with money.
It's even for how we direct out and lead so we can help those who we want to invest in themselves through us feel safe inside of the transaction so that they can invest their money. And it, it doesn't matter what economy we're in, you're still gonna have to build trust
Stacy: Amen. I mean, like, but I feel the same...
I, I mean, everything you just said, Darnyelle, my business has not experienced a lot of, like, you know, I would- like you said, the impact has been very minimal because I've, I've always been doing business the way I do it. Yeah. Which is in a very, very... I've always had to build a tremendous amount of tu- of trust in my business because also the, you know, I, [00:41:00] um, a lot of who comes to me for support in my Passion and Prosperous Academy are earlier stage business owners who are- Mm-hmm
just starting, and they're not generating revenue. They're not- Yeah ... they're, they're either zero at your, or they're, like, inconsistent sort of very early stage. Mm-hmm. And so those are not people who are sitting on thousands of dollars to invest in themselves. And so- Yeah ... investing, um, you know, in, in a business that hasn't, that they don't even know if it's gonna succeed or not- Mm-hmm
um, investing in themselves, um, requires a tremendous amount of, um, y- you know, and I'm fine with it, right? Mm-hmm. Like, there's a lot of people out there not like us who kind of, um... They, they sort of, you know, they put down or they talk down about, about people that are not just... Y- they, they, they have, they call them tire kickers or, you know- Yeah
or [00:42:00] freebie seekers. And it makes me so upset when I see other coaches or business owners sort of like putting down the people that take a long time before making a purchasing decision or whatever. And I, I'm like, I, that, that's horrible to me to, to, to refer to people that way when actually those people are really just, as you put it, like, they're, they're scared making an investment and- Yep
you know, like, making a mistake with money feels really high stakes and they don't wanna... They're, they're, they're, they're afraid of doing the wrong thing or of making a bad investment or, or they don't, they... It's not always that they don't trust you, it's also sometimes that they don't trust themselves, that they don't know- It's
Darnyelle: usually that they don't trust
Stacy: themselves.
Yes. Yeah. That they don't know if they're gonna be able to get the outcome or do it or show up, you know? Yeah. A lot of people have what I call the special exception story, right? Mm-hmm. Which is like, um, which is why I always say, like, social proof doesn't work for everyone. Like, don't do a webinar [00:43:00] that all it is is you saying, "And this client got this result."
I'm like, because there's plenty of people watching you that are going, "Yeah, but I don't think that'll work for me because-" Right. "... nothing ever works for me because I don't know if I can show up. I'm not smart enough. I'm not th- " And you have to take into consideration that there's Everyone is dealing with their own, you know, mind.
Their own- Yeah ... mind and their stories and their limiting beliefs and all the things. Yeah. So, um, yeah, I don't even know why I got passionate about talking about that, but
Darnyelle: yeah. No, I- So ... I love it. I thought, I mean, everything that we've talked about in this conversation, I can't believe our time together is almost up- Yeah
has just been amazing. I just, I'm so grateful that we got to talk about the difference between reinventing and evolving, and we got to pull in the importance of authenticity and, and, you know, knowing who yourself and feel- feeling safe with yourself so that ultimately you can get people to the level of transformation.
And even the business knuckle- nuggets that you sprinkled in [00:44:00] that- ... were a part of this conversation I think were really, really powerful. Um- Before I move to our Move to Millions wisdom questions, I just wanna, if there's anything else that's on your heart right now as it pertains to this conversation, reinventing versus evolving, anything else that's coming up right now that you feel compelled to share, I just wanna give you the opportunity to do so.
Stacy: I, I... But you know what, what comes up for me when I think about you, and, you know, and we mentioned we've, we've met recently, right? We're newer, we're newer friends, colleagues, whatever we wanna call ourselves. Um, and one of the reasons why I was so drawn to you and so excited to be invited to come and have this conversation with you is because I think that we both come from, um, uh, this...
A, a similar place, which is, um, you know, acknowledging that, like, in order to, in order to do what we wanna do in, in, in the world, in [00:45:00] our lives, like, create the li- I, I always say, like, I never s- just talk about business by itself. I always say if you... Our lives and our businesses are, they're one. And I know that many people are like, "I don't want my business to take up my whole life."
And I'm like, yeah, but, but when you're building your own thing, you and your bus- uh, you are your business. Yes. Like, you, right? And so, and why do we build the businesses that we are building? We're building the businesses, I think, to fund the lives that we really wanna be living, right? 100%.
Darnyelle: And you mentioned,
Stacy: yeah, my rent in New York, right?
You know. Mm-hmm. My, my living expense. So, you know, one of the... I just wanna say that one of the things I appreciate about the work you do with your clients, and I think the work that I do with my clients, is that while supporting people around making money and, and, and, and, you know, creating what they, their, their success, which we need financial success unless we choose to, like, literally go...
I always joke, I always say, 'cause I [00:46:00] come from the yoga world, I always say, "Unless we're gonna, like renounce everything and go live, you know, on a mountain- Yeah ... in the Himalayas," right? Like, unless we're, like, gonna give it all up and go live in, you know, in, in spiritual prayer or something. If we're living in the world, right, we have material things.
Right. We have to play the game. We need money, and if we like nice things, you said, you know, "I'm, I'm a little bougie." Listen- So am I ...
Darnyelle: I'm not even- Listen ... a little bougie. I'm really b- bougie,
Stacy: but I'm also ghetto. I'm very bougie. I'm all the things. I grew up in New York in the '70s, girl. So, you know, so I, you know, I like to go to a Broadway show, which nowadays costs, you know, 500 bucks for my husband and I to go to a show together, you know?
Yeah. And, and go to dinner and whatever. So, you know, I, I just wanna say how much I appreciate that, you know, that- I think we both come from the same place, which is like, which is creating financial freedom, making money doing what you love, whatever you, [00:47:00] however you wanna call it. It's, it's so intertwined with like, with your life, and it's so intertwined with your inner life and your- Yeah
spiritual life. Whatever you wanna call it. Your inner life, your mindset, your spiritual life. Like, like who you're, who you're being and what you're, what you're using as- Mm-hmm ... as a guidepost or guidelines, right? Like how you- Yeah ... how you, how you wake up every day and put things into perspective for yourself and what keeps you going.
And what keeps you going is really, like, what you lean into in terms of- Yeah ... what gives you the feeling of security, of faith, of abundance, of like what do you believe in? Because if you don't believe in anything, uh, on a greater level, then you're, you're going to start to feel completely out of whack and disconnected, and you're gonna start to feel like, "Wait, why am I doing all of this?"
Right. You know? Yeah. So I just, I, I had to presence us to that because I think it's what [00:48:00] made me feel, I think it's what made me feel drawn to you t- from the very start. Yeah. And so I just appreciate that, um, that you're doing the work you're doing in the world 'cause it's what, it's the work I wanna do in the world, and I, I have had to do a lot of my own authenticity work and evolution work- Mm-hmm
to not get caught up in the idea that because I call myself a business coach, all I can talk about is how to market yourself, how to have a niche, how to create offers, and how to sell. Yeah. Which I love talking about all that.
Darnyelle: Yeah, but there's so much more. But not enough. And the business is congruent, like you say.
I say all the time- Yeah ... you cannot have a booming business if you have a busted life. That- Yeah ... I mean it, it's honestly, Stacey, why my work has evolved the way that it is. Yeah. When I came on the scenes 2007, 2008, I was all strategist.
Stacy: Yeah.
Darnyelle: And I was giving I mean, I was giving the money plays to clients and they- Yeah
were not producing money. Right. And I was like, "What in the world is [00:49:00] going on?" Yeah. I know this strategy hits.
Stacy: Yeah.
Darnyelle: And it was because of the six inches in between their ears, and then it became about- Yeah ... their capacity, and then it became about their- Yeah ... nervous system. Came about- Yeah ... all these other things that just got-
Stacy: Yep
Darnyelle: parlayed into the work because all the strategies work. But none of the strategies work if you are not in alignment, you do not have capacity, and you do not feel safe. It doesn't matter- Yes ... which one you try, it's not gonna work for you if there's no safety in your vessel for that strategy. So I get it.
Yes. And I f- Yeah ... I feel it so intensely. I just wanna say thank you so much for being here. All right, so before I let you go- Yeah ... we have our three Move to Millions wisdom questions. Again, I'm gonna give them to you- Yeah ... all at the same time, and then you give me the answers in the order that serves you in the best and highest way.
What is the book? What is the tool? And what is the quote that serves and supports you as you are on your own move to millions? Book, tool, quote.
Stacy: So the [00:50:00] book that came to my mind first was The Gap and the Gain by Dan Sullivan. Mm-hmm. So, um, I, I am... I completely, uh, identify as a, as a high achiever. I am the kind of person who can have an amazing thing happen, whether it's my event or, you know, a great quarter or whatever you wanna call it, and then almost immediately start thinking, "But now what?
But what do I have to do next?" Or thinking about where I also wanna be where I'm not yet, right? Yeah. And so The Gap and the Gain is a book that I think anyone who identifies as a high achiever, a perfectionist, like someone who recognizes that there- it's easy to get stuck in the, like, in the but I'm not where I wanna go yet.
And- Mm-hmm ... you know, the book is all about the importance of looking at what, where, where you've come from, right? Yeah. Which is a lot of the evolution, right? Absolutely. The evolution is looking [00:51:00] behind you and going, "Wait, I'm gonna take all of that forward with me and know that that's my fuel for where I wanna go."
So The Gap and the Gain. I'm- Okay ... naming that book, although there are many, and that's by Dan Sullivan and Benjamin Hardy. Mm-hmm. My tool, so I am a, I'm an affirmations girl, and I know you are too, 'cause you... I have your list of, uh- Mm-hmm ... I call them affirmations. I have one of your money, um, you know- Yeah, the declarations.
Yeah, the declarations. I'm a big declaration, affirmation, um, uh, basically, like, really recognizing... I- so in my transformational system that's, which is actually for the acronym EVOLVE- Mm-hmm ... the, the second V. The first V is for vision. Um, the second V is for validate. Mm-hmm. And in the process of evolving, before you get to the embody, which is the last E- Mm-hmm
um, that, that, that second to last process is, [00:52:00] is identifying what do you need to input? What do you need to put in to your, to your mind? What do you need to repeat? What do you need, you know, what do you need to say every day? And you know, I come from the, the background of yoga, where mantras are- Mm-hmm
right? Like, what is... The Sanskrit word mantra literally translates to protector of the mind or to- Mm-hmm ... transcend the mind.
Darnyelle: Yeah.
Stacy: And so I've always been a big believer in that you can input what it is that's going to serve you at the highest level, so that's- Yeah ... my greatest tool.
Darnyelle: I love
Stacy: that. Um, and then, um, the quote, it's funny because you told me you were gonna ask me, and I s- hand to God, I wrote this down before you said, "This is what I wanna talk to you about."
But my, you know, favorite quote of my own is, "Change is never a sign of failure. It's always your opportunity to evolve."
Darnyelle: Mm, love it. [00:53:00]
Stacy: So I come from, you know, a r- like really, I- my background is that I was, you know, I, I was a Broadway performer, I was an actor. I never thought I'd be anything else, and then I evolved into teaching yoga because it was something that, like, I felt was like a great way for me to make money when I wasn't acting, and that sort of spun into a very successful other career.
Darnyelle: Mm-hmm.
Stacy: Um, and then, you know, when I, when owning the yoga studio was not serving me anymore, I didn't like having business partners, it felt like I was being stifled, I became a coach, I started my own business, and I see all of that as I- as my evolution. Yeah. And, and if I, if I, if I chose to, I could look back and go, "I'm a failed actor," or- Yeah
"Oh, I had a yoga studio and I failed at it." But I, I really believe that the universe, the universe lets us know when, when it's time for us to do something different. Mm. And [00:54:00] I never think that that means that what you did before was somehow a failure. But I think it's like you, you get that, that served you, and now the universe is calling you forward and saying, "Now there's something more for you."
Yeah. And so, um, so that, that's just always been a, a perspective that I choose to have, and I try to help my, my clients to have that as well.
Darnyelle: Awesome. This was amazing, Stacy. Thank you so very much. I mean, I knew it was gonna be good anyway. I knew that from the moment that I met you, and just your energy and what you bring into the world.
And as I was thinking about what we're doing in season seven, I was like, "Oh yeah, I've gotta have Stacy on the show." So I'm so glad that you were able to come. I'm so glad for everything that you imparted. We'll get your links and make sure that we share that with those who are- Thank you ... listening in case they wanna deepen their experience with you.
Um, but I just wanna say thank you again from the bottom of my heart for being here. Um, I appreciate you so very much.
Stacy: Thank you so much. And, and I [00:55:00] appreciate you. I, b- we have a big love fest, so- Yes, absolutely ... thank you. Thank you for having me. I feel honored, to be honest with you, to be on, on, on your show, so thank you so much.
Darnyelle: Oh, you're so very welcome. I just wrapped up an amazing conversation with Stacie. Oh, my goodness, y'all. Like, I mean, I know you were here, so you know how good it was. The notes that I have, the, the energy that I feel. Like, literally, I could probably go outside right now and I could push a boulder up a hill.
Now, there are no hills outside, but if I went outside, if I wanted to, I could push a boulder up the hill. It was amazing. I wrote a few things down that I wanted to share with you from this powerful conversation with Stacie. Um, so many things. We talked about reinvention versus evolution, and when she said, "You don't reinvent.
You don't wanna burn it all down because that is [00:56:00] external. You wanna evolve because it's internal," y'all, all my little spidey senses started tingling. I loved every minute of it. When she said that-- I-- the question I asked was, "When does expertise stop being the differentiator?" And she said, "Expertise stops being the differentiator when it's just information, if it doesn't lead to transformation."
I can't tell you that she said it that way, but that's the way I wrote it down, and I was like, "Yes, we gotta move from information to transformation." And then she talked about integration, that the whole point of the work, the reason you don't have to worry about AI, is because of integration. There is something about you that AI will never be able to replicate, full stop.
So just be clear and cognizant on that and focus on your evolution. And if you'd like support as you evolve, then I highly recommend that you check [00:57:00] out Sanctuary. It is an amazing container. It is sacred. It is significant. It is spiritual. It is somatic. It is scientific. It is all the things that you need to finally, once and for all, feel safe.
Safe with yourself, the way you lead, the way you scale, the way you move. Safe with wealth and money. Safe with leadership. Safe, because safety, it is your divine right, and the safer you feel, the more all of the things you wanna bring into the world will actually unfurl. I wanna make sure that you go to the show notes, get all of Stacie's information in case she says something that spurs something inside of you.
And I wanna thank you for being present. I wanna thank you for the presence of your ability to listen and hear between the words that we shared in this powerful episode to move you in a [00:58:00] position to get everything that has already been earmarked and reserved for you. Thank you for joining me, and I'll see you next time.
Take care.
