Ep 334 Matthew Finlin: Dramatic Change of Events
Let’s make something clear: your next level won’t come through control—it will come through surrender. And if you’re not willing to surrender the version of you that built your current success, you will never become the CEO who sustains millions with peace, alignment, and authority.
In this powerful, provocative conversation with Matthew Finlin, we dismantle the illusion that evolving your business starts with a pivot. Instead, we go deep into what it actually takes to release what’s no longer aligned, walk away from comfort, and obey the divine pull that dares you to become someone entirely new.
From uprooting his life and moving to Peru, to building a legacy rooted in spiritual alignment and youth empowerment, Matthew reminds us that the decision to follow divine direction—even when it doesn’t make sense—is the ultimate CEO move. If you’ve been feeling called to something more—but fear, comfort, or obligation are keeping you where you are—this episode is your confirmation.
Get your Move to Millions Podcast notebook ready—you’ll want to take notes on the lessons packed into this incredible conversation! Listen in to discover:
✔ How to recognize when it’s time to evolve—not pivot—and why spiritual alignment is the key to sustainable growth.
✔ How to use fear as a compass and step into courage when the next season of your business demands more from you.
✔ How to discern whether your decisions are coming from obligation or inspiration—and how to realign for expansion and abundance.
✔ And so much more
This episode is a masterclass in evolution over effort, faith over fear, and abundance over attachment. If you’ve been circling a decision, ignoring the divine disruption, or holding back your next move, this conversation will give you permission to let go, leap, and land in your next level—gracefully.
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- "You have to be scared to be courageous. Otherwise, you're not being brave—you're just doing something."
- "It would take more courage for me to stay than to leave."
- "Being committed to the vision and unattached to what it looks like—that’s the evolution."
- "If you’re not consciously feeding abundance, you are by default feeding fear and lack."
- "My courage actually comes from fear—the fear of getting to the end and regretting what I didn’t do."
- Am I making decisions based on where I’ve been—or where I’m called to go?
- Do I feel contracted or expansive when I think about what’s next for my business?
- What am I afraid to let go of, even though it no longer serves me?
- Am I acting out of obligation or inspiration in this season?
- What would it look like to surrender the outcome and trust divine provision for my next level?
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Favorite Quote: “If you want to go fast go alone; if you want to go far, go together.”
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- Matthew Finlin: The Potential for More
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Matthew Finlan [00:00:00]:
You have to be scared to be courageous. Otherwise you're not being brave, you're just doing something. So if there's no fear, there's not even an opportunity for courage.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:00:13]:
That's good. Oh, that's so good. I say all the time that fear is an indication that your next level is present. You're listening to the Move to Millions podcast with Dr. Darnyelle e J. Harmon. If you're ready for high level conversations that and prepare you to move your company cash flow and connection to and beyond the million dollar mark, let's get this party started. Welcome back to the Move to Millions podcast.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:00:43]:
It's your girl, Dr. Darnyelle . So excited to be back with you for another powerful episode with another amazing guest. In fact, this guest is a guest that has been on the show before. So dynamic. I just love the way that he thinks that I wanted to bring him back to you again. I am talking about Matthew Finland. And what we'll do is we will tag in the show notes the first episode so that you can hear his bio and all the things.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:01:10]:
Right. We're going to literally just jump into this really powerful conversation. We talked about so many things. I don't want to steal the thunder, you know, I never like to do that. So I'll be back when it's over. But here's what I want you to do. I want you to try on being open to a perspective that could change your life. And let's jump into my conversation with Matthew Finland.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:01:32]:
Matthew Finland, welcome back to the Move to Millions podcast. How are you today?
Matthew Finlan [00:01:40]:
Yeah, excellent. Like we were just talking about before, you know, life has been really lifing. It's good. It's just. I'm a bit of a max capacity right now, but it's. It's excellent.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:01:51]:
Awesome, awesome, awesome. So since people already know who you are and we'll also tag your first episode in the show notes if they want to go back and listen to that, like, kind of catch us up. What's been going on since we were last together.
Matthew Finlan [00:02:04]:
Wow. You know, I'm actually excited to rewatch that. Yeah, we'll do another one in a year and a half.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:02:10]:
Such a good conversation. Oh, my gosh.
Matthew Finlan [00:02:12]:
Oh, my God. Yeah. So good, man. Since then, I mean, so much growth has happened for me as an individual and in my business life, and it's been very organic and it has been an evolution. It hasn't necessarily been a pivot as much as just, you know, man makes plans and God laughs. And I always say, you know, God's plan over Matthew's plan every day. And as always, it's like, you know, in the heat of the moment sometimes like, ah, like I don't like this and oh, why is this happening to me? And then a year later you're like, oh, I'm so grateful that happened, so grateful that the path switched up on me because this is so much better. And I guess I just had that happen to me so many times in my life, but now it's kind of like, oh, like I don't know what, like I don't know exactly what to celebrate yet, but this dramatic change of events is definitely something for me to celebrate.
Matthew Finlan [00:03:02]:
And so on the personal front, my partner and I are relocating to Peru from, from Canada, from North America. And like I was telling you, it seems like every day, every day there's like 10 new reasons why I want to leave North America and then like three to five reasons why Peru. And so that's really, really fun, really, really alive for me and I'm really, really excited about that. And then for business, I'm still doing my coaching, five pillars, what I now call applicable spirituality on one hand and then on the other hand just basically sales, honestly direct sales and money blocks primarily, I guess would be that, that one on one coaching. But I'm putting all of my heart and soul into this retreat center which I now have equity in in Peru, and even more so than that into building the Youth Academy, which I'm just so, so, so, so, so, so excited about. It's so needed. And the Youth Academy is basically for your listeners, the things that you wish you got taught in school instead of learning the hard way in your 20s, taxes, how to make money, how to communicate relationships.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:04:09]:
Yeah, so important. Like, I mean I, I love all of that. Right. We talked a little bit before we started recording about why Peru? One of the things that you said that I was really excited about and it gave me the warm fuzzies was the way that the culture is ingrained in spirituality. Right. I feel like here in North America, I'm in the U.S. of course, you're in Canada at the present. It's such a dance for the acceptance of spirituality.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:04:38]:
Even though for the United States specifically, you know, the whole country was started because they were escaping religious persecution and our money says in God we trust. But as soon as you want to introduce God and spirituality out in the world, like there's something wrong with you because of that damn Fannie Lou Hamer who said separate church and state. Right. And so the thought of Being in a country, in a community, in a culture where the most important part of us is accepted, appreciated, and probably even desired, that makes me feel warm and fuzzy, like, all over. All over, yeah. And then retreat center. So a place. And you.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:05:22]:
Where did you say it was? In the sacred something.
Matthew Finlan [00:05:25]:
Sacred valley of.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:05:26]:
Sacred valley.
Matthew Finlan [00:05:27]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:05:28]:
So, yeah. So just the thought of being in that kind of place, it feels like for. From what I'm perceiving about what's about to come for you and your partner, it's like the heavens are about to open. That's really just what I feel in my spirit right now. And I don't know. I don't. This popped in, so I'm going to ask the question. I don't know if.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:05:53]:
If you would say this is a thing or not, but the courage to decide, and I know you've lived internationally before, but the courage to decide to give up anything here and to reestablish and plant there. Like, walk us through the journey of. How did you come. We can talk about why Peru or not Peru, but making the decision to, like, uproot again and to uproot specifically in this season of your life, to do this work. Like, why is now the time?
Matthew Finlan [00:06:27]:
Yeah. Wow. Okay. Well, I mean, before we get into, like, the logic, I guess, of it or even the emotion of it, the. The path has just been laid out in front of me and. And one of my best friends, we have this funny joke that we're. That we've been saying a lot where, you know, like a lot of times, like, even spirit, especially spiritual people, this is the. This is the.
Matthew Finlan [00:06:50]:
The metaphor that we draw is the spiritual people are on a boat, a big boat, right? And the boat starts sinking. And the spiritual person goes like, nope, God is going to protect me. Right? And they're just, like, praying to God, protect me, God. Thank you, God, for protecting me. Both sinking. They're like, God's got me. And then the boat sinks and they drown and they go to heaven, and they' gates. They're like, God, like, why didn't you save me? God's like, I put life rafts on that boat.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:07:17]:
Right?
Matthew Finlan [00:07:18]:
Like, I did save you. You just didn't take the action to get off of the sinking ship. I put the boats there.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:07:25]:
Yeah.
Matthew Finlan [00:07:25]:
And I see that happening, and I feel that happening, like, so much. And so for me, it's just like, ship is sinking. There's a lifeboat I'm hopping on. And it was like, as soon as kind of all these things started really popping up, which I'll get into, like, you know, somewhat quickly about, like, what the sinking ship is and what the life vessel is. I hosted a retreat with my company in March in Peru, and then that same retreat center offered my partner and I equity, and we took it.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:07:56]:
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Matthew Finlan [00:08:43]:
And so it just kind of was like, we were like, are we going to go to Mexico? Are we going to go to Tulum? Are we going to like, what? Are we going to do this? Are we going to do that? Like, Peru is kind of on our radar. And then I was like, oh, here's an equity deal. We love the space. We'd love to host. I love proof or, you know, large list of reasons that I cracked off earlier. And it just made sense, you know, it was like, it was like, there's. I got that pole that, that God pull, the same pull that brought me to Hong Kong. I told you about last time.
Matthew Finlan [00:09:10]:
I was like, in debt. It was day nine and God's like, you got to go. I was like, all right, same thing. Just that, just following that path that.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:09:18]:
Has just surrender, surrender, surrender, follow.
Matthew Finlan [00:09:21]:
Yeah, so there's that. And then the. Honestly, for me, it feels like it would take way more courage to stay. Be totally honest. Like, it feels like it would take way more courage to stay. Right now, I don't have the most positive prediction of the future of Canada and North America. We can say the Western world, but, like, if you see the uk, it's burning to the ground right now. UK is toast.
Matthew Finlan [00:09:52]:
Australia was nuts during COVID I also think it's toast. Canada, United States, the economics are already starting to get a little shaky. Like, maybe a little bit more than a little shaky. And, you know, the, you know, Trump almost getting shot in the head and. And it like blew over. Like, if this was 20 years ago and I was former president running for president, almost got shot in the head, it'd be everywhere. The biggest deal now we're just like, oh yeah, moving on. The debates are in a couple of weeks and just like the fact that something so intense like that happened and then like weeks later you can't even find it anymore, you know, and then I already told you some of the cultural things for me and so some of, some of the big cultural things for me are like, I believe that there's this system that is convincing humans of all races and genders that they're a victim and.
Matthew Finlan [00:11:00]:
And then therefore they are instead of just being like, hey, like, you know, everyone's had, everyone has traumas and traumas are different for individuals and some people have way larger ones than other people. But news flash, everyone's traumatized and other news flash, if you live in North America, you have a better life than anyone 500 years ago, 700 years ago, thousand years ago. And just kind of perpetuating that. And then a big one for me, and this is something that I have been pretty like biting my tongue about and now it's starting to feel like I'm lying by omission is I know that there is only two genders and I know that you are the gender that you are born. That's a huge reason for me because unfortunately I can't have and raise kids in this current culture. Huge. It's like so it's so sad, honestly, it's just so sad for me. And so there's a handful of reasons like kind of along that lines of like, you know, the culture, the economics, the corrupt politics.
Matthew Finlan [00:12:05]:
This is in Canada, this is in North America. The mismanagement of taxpayers dollars. Like why am I paying taxes for you to go bomb kids in a different country? What's going on right now? There's homeless people in Vancouver. Like Vancouver and LA is just like, what's going on? We're giving them free poison. That's my taxpayers not as going is to give them drugs and bond kids when like there's people homeless and like just what's going on? So there's all that kind of doom and gloom and yucky convo. And then there's the like, why Peru? And the why Peru? Like I mentioned to you, top one. Spirituality is woven into the culture. Just woven into the culture.
Matthew Finlan [00:12:43]:
And what was so great for me when it really hit me is our tour guide. Our tour guide, just an honest Peruvian guy. Didn't seem that spiritual. Just seemed like a. Just tour guide taken around the city of Cusco and he's like, oh, are you guys going to do ayahuasca? And he's. And we're like, yeah. And he's like, okay, we'll, like, make sure. And he was like, really? Just, like, dropped in.
Matthew Finlan [00:13:05]:
Just drop right. This is a tour guide. Regular ladies dropped right in and was like, okay, like, it's going to show you shadows and. And make sure that you. You, like, are praying and, like, just saying all these things. I was just like, oh, like, this is so good. And they didn't lose their connection to the divine, to God, all over all of these years. And, you know, like I said to you earlier, just quick bullet points, why Peru is.
Matthew Finlan [00:13:33]:
It's like spirituality. Like, chocolate, coffee. I don't want to wear plastic anymore. You know, they've got good clothes. I don't want my food coming in plastic. You know, they don't have all these bans on things like raw milk. You can just get it. And the air is clean, the water is clean.
Matthew Finlan [00:13:53]:
And the country's tearing down their 5G towers because they, the citizens understand that it's not healthy. They're the second country to leave the imf, which is a big deal.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:14:04]:
Oh, wow.
Matthew Finlan [00:14:05]:
Yeah, it's a big deal. And like I said, every day it's kind of like, more reasons are kind of like popping up into. Into my sphere. And so, yeah, you know, somewhat long winded answer, but also, like, very, very succinct. Like, I could probably talk about each of those.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:14:21]:
Yeah. Well, the one thing that you said, take us all the way back to the start. That I think is, what is the undercurrent of everything that you've shared is. And these might not be your exact words, but this is the way that I heard it, is that you've undergone an evolution, not a pivot. And I think that that is really powerful. Like, we could literally stick a pin right there and talk about the difference between evolving and pivoting. Because I estimate that in order for one to evolve, you have to separate yourself from the material things, all the things that are outside of yourself. And you.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:15:06]:
You literally have to go in in order to determine what your next steps are. Would you agree?
Matthew Finlan [00:15:14]:
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And you can't get to the next. Oftentimes, and this is a big mistake entrepreneurs make, is what got you to where you are. Won't get you to where you need to go next.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:15:27]:
Yeah. And pivoting isn't the answer. Like, what I feel like is it you have to evolve. You have to become the next version of yourself. And it Takes courage. It takes clarity. Right. You're going to have to be willing to, as my nana used to say, get somewhere and sit down and realize what's wrong in you, around you, because of you, as a result of you, in order to be willing to step up.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:15:57]:
And you're going to have to get clarity of vision. Right. Like, what is next? What does the next iteration look like? And then I think you also have to find a measure of commitment and conviction so that you can become consistent in the thing. Right. In the being of the thing that you should be. Almost as if you don't know whether or not it's going to pan out or in. In spite of knowing. Right.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:16:26]:
Kind of like detaching from the outcome of what it is. And what I feel like you didn't say this, but this is what I feel like I heard in between the words that you said, is that just by recognizing the need to leave the place to go showed up 100%.
Matthew Finlan [00:16:43]:
100%. It's being committed to the vision and unattached to what it looks like.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:16:48]:
Yeah. That is so good. And both very hard. I mean, I get it because I do this work on myself. Right. But let's break that down. Being committed to the vision but not concerned about what it looks like.
Matthew Finlan [00:17:06]:
That's right.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:17:07]:
Can you say that in English for me, please? I just imagine right now someone's listening and they're like, wait, what? Like, how in the world could I be committed to the vision without being concerned with what it looks like? It feels like detaching from any and all outcomes and just knowing that wherever you land is the place that you were supposed to be because you were intentional at the onset, and that's what helped you to get there. But it can't be that simple, Matthew. So break that down for us.
Matthew Finlan [00:17:34]:
Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's good. It's funny. No one's ever asked me to really break it down, but everyone's like, yes. Everyone hears that. They're like, yes to that. Okay, so breaking it down.
Matthew Finlan [00:17:44]:
Well, I think the easiest thing for me to do is start with a metaphor and then we can maybe like, unravel it a little bit. And so this past weekend, I did an extremely intense mountain experience with a group of nine strong men. It was intense. 25 miles, mile and a half elevation gain, nuts over three days, summoned at a peak. And there was a path that we were supposed to take. And as we were going along the path, the path stopped. We had a destination where we had to get to. Right?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:18:17]:
Yeah. And there was no path.
Matthew Finlan [00:18:19]:
There was a pathway. And then the pathway stopped and we had to go off path. And we're bushwhacking and falling over creeks and to climb up this super sketchy thing and. And it's called a no fall zone. Like, you're not allowed to fall. And then we did and we got where we were going and we were committed to the vision, but we were unattached to what it looked like getting there.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:18:41]:
Yeah.
Matthew Finlan [00:18:41]:
And so I feel like, like, so for me, if I was to say I'm committed to my vision of creating a fully holistic education for future generations, that's what I'm committed to. Well, maybe I can't do that from Canada right now. Maybe I gotta go somewhere else. And maybe that going somewhere else has nothing to do with the vision, but it has to do with my health, has to do with. With me, the deliverer. And so it's funny because I don't want to use the word pivot, but I feel like it's the correct word to use right now, which is. Okay, so many times, people, it's about, maybe the evolution is even better. Yeah, evolution is better.
Matthew Finlan [00:19:26]:
But you have your, you have your aim on a goal, right? Like, let's say it's to make a million dollars, right. If you go to make a million dol. In. In your business, like Bic. Bic is a hilarious example. Right. Didn't they start out as pens? I think they started big pens and now obviously lighters. You buy lighters.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:19:42]:
Right.
Matthew Finlan [00:19:43]:
And so they had to evolve their business to get to that financial goal that they wanted to get to. And so being committed to the vision and unattached to what it looks like kind of revolves around those types of operations. Like if you want to get extremely fit and you start exercising and doing all these things and then maybe you injure yourself. Well, you injured yourself because you weren't being mindful. You weren't paying attention to what your body needs. You were to. You were too, too focused on the doing and not enough on the recovery and the building. And now you've been forced by God to recover and take a reflection there.
Matthew Finlan [00:20:22]:
And that's not a setback. That's just a. It's just a change of direction for you.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:20:28]:
Or it's just a pause too. Right. It's a protection mechanism.
Matthew Finlan [00:20:34]:
Yeah, Right.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:20:35]:
And that, that's the beauty of God, that, that he is always there and is determining because of his provision for whatever the vision is. Right. So we have this vision. We think it's our vision, but it's really our vision with permission from his vision, because he gave us the vision in the first place. And so because he's given us the vision, he's made the provision, which is why we don't have to be attached to what it looks like, because he's already figured it all out. And if we are open and flexible, then however we get there is typically going to be more useful than the route we would have thought to take to get there.
Matthew Finlan [00:21:19]:
100, 100. 100. That's what happens a lot.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:21:24]:
Oh, good.
Matthew Finlan [00:21:25]:
That's what happens a lot. People get attached to how it happens. Committed to the vision, unattached to what it looks like. They get attached to what it looks like and then they're.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:21:34]:
And they miss the vision.
Matthew Finlan [00:21:35]:
They're just butting up against the wall instead of going around it. Yeah, it's such a fine line too, because if we went too, too deep in this line of thinking, people would be quick to change and then they would lose the resiliency aspect of it. Right. If you're too quick, if you're not a little bit attached, you know, a little bit like, I have an idea. I think it's going to work. I'm going to try it. And then it doesn't work. You don't go right away.
Matthew Finlan [00:22:03]:
Maybe I need to try it again. Maybe we need to try. The law of averages still exists.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:22:07]:
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Matthew Finlan [00:22:41]:
Yeah, so it's such is a very fine line and I usually anchor into that quote when clearly not what I thought it was going to look like. I don't lose the vision, but when it's like very obvious that it's not going to be with these people, it's very obvious. You said the word clarity. My buddy and I, we had this, this one really potent experience and we call, we called it the Clarity round. And what we ended up realizing is that one, what we ended up realizing is that we just need to focus on making more money. Physically good, emotionally good, mentally good, spiritually good money. Got to get the Money. We're like, ah, but the other stuff is so fun and like, yeah, you know, we got.
Matthew Finlan [00:23:20]:
And so we had to lean into, like, unraveling, making the money, making. Making money fun and all of those different things. And what we recognized is that it was clarity. There was one path to take, right? There was one path to take, and it wasn't the path that we were wanting to take. And so often that's what happens. People got plan A and then it's plan B. And instead of being grounding in the clarity and being like, I'm so grateful, God, that I know where I stand and I know where to go, they're like, oh. Like.
Matthew Finlan [00:23:52]:
But I wish it was the way I wanted it to be. And maybe I can try and make it that way instead of just being like, it's not that way. It was never going to be that way. I'm actually here and I'm so grateful that I have clarity on my life and my circumstances, even if it wasn't what I wanted it to be.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:24:10]:
Right. And even when you don't have the clarity, I'm going to go back to the. That word I said earlier, surrender. Because I think about even. You know, the Bible says our ways are not his ways, right? His ways are higher than our ways. So part of the getting the vision, right? And I believe, you know, the scripture says when you delight yourself in the Lord, he gives you the desires of your heart. So the vision that you have in the first place, it was not your original thought or construct, it was God's. If you are in alignment with him, that's what delight in him means.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:24:46]:
When you are in alignment, you see yourself the way that he sees you. The vision you have from the beginning was his idea, not yours, but he's planted it in you because he's already made provision to it. And if you're willing to surrender to it, which is the. I don't care what it looks like, I don't care how I get there. I just know this is the result. Then the path that emerges as you take the next step, you know, to take really does call out for you and give you the confidence to keep taking steps. Right? It's like a gps, right? In order for me to turn on my gps, I have to know where I'm going. I have to have the address, but that's typically the only thing I know.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:25:27]:
I might have an idea about what side of town it's on based on the things I know about that address, but I don't actually know Where I'm going, I am trusting. I am surrendering to the GPS to get me there.
Matthew Finlan [00:25:40]:
That's so good. That is such a good analogy, too. Like. Like. Like today I drove. Drove my partner to do an appointment, and there was all this traffic and all these crazy things happened, and Google was changing it up. Go this way instead, go that way instead. And if I had just stuck the main route, it would have taken probably an extra hour and a half to get where we were going.
Matthew Finlan [00:26:00]:
That's a great. That's great. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:26:04]:
That's the only way that I think that's the only way that you can evolve and do something that you might not even technically be prepared for, but it's because you've released the need to know what it's going to look like or decide what it looks like so that. You know what I mean? Like, I think that's the thing, though.
Matthew Finlan [00:26:24]:
You are prepared.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:26:26]:
Yeah.
Matthew Finlan [00:26:26]:
Like, technically you are prepared because God only gives you what you're ready for. This is true. He only tests you with things that you can handle.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:26:33]:
Yeah.
Matthew Finlan [00:26:34]:
I feel like that's a constant thing, is we're constantly limiting our capacity and, you know, like a guidestone that, like, how to operate the gps. I do it through two ways. I tune into my body because people don't give the body's wisdom enough credit. When I'm about to do something, I ask, does this feel constrictive or expansive?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:26:59]:
That's a good question.
Matthew Finlan [00:27:01]:
And sometimes, like, maybe breaking up with a partner that you've been with for a long time, it feels expansive. And you're like, ooh, but that's a kind of yucky thing. But it doesn't feel constrictive. It feels expansive. And then the other question that I asked, these are the two questions I asked myself. Does this feel constrictive or expansive? And then, am I doing this out of obligation or inspiration?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:27:26]:
Oh, my gosh, that's good.
Matthew Finlan [00:27:28]:
Am I doing this out of obligation or inspiration? Because if it's obligation, you're going to become resentful. This is what it is. You're doing out of obligation. You're going to become resentful. Doing out of inspiration. It actually grows love. It grows more.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:27:42]:
Yeah.
Matthew Finlan [00:27:42]:
Constrictive or expansive. Obligation or inspiration.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:27:47]:
And to add to that, constriction causes and creates lack, expansion creates abundance.
Matthew Finlan [00:27:57]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:27:58]:
Right. So. Oh, that's so good. And same thing. I could say that obligation creates lack and inspiration creates abundance.
Matthew Finlan [00:28:07]:
Totally.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:28:08]:
So it's really. It's always an exercise of Abundance. Right. I have these bracelets. I gave them out at my last live event. They say, what would abundance do? Kind of like those old school what would Jesus do bracelets. Remember those?
Matthew Finlan [00:28:20]:
I love that.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:28:21]:
What would abundance do? Because most of us, we're born in lack, we live in lack, we spend most of our time in lack. So much so that we don't even have a center. We don't have a main construct of what abundance is and what it looks like. So when you're presented with anything, instead of just responding with the first thing that comes, which is usually lack, asking yourself, what would abundance do? Right now, right when I'm journaling, I write whatever comes out. And then when I'm done, when I've reached capacity, I asked myself, would abundance add anything to this?
Matthew Finlan [00:28:56]:
Ooh, that's good.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:28:57]:
And it pours out so much more because I've moved beyond, to use your words, constriction and to expansiveness.
Matthew Finlan [00:29:06]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:29:06]:
So it really does open up this whole other paradigm of what could be possible for me in that moment, in this season. Right. And so when I think back to your decision to leave North America and to go to Peru, it makes sense because you've expanded your capacity beyond which you could actually get, receive and even impact the lives of others if you were to stay here, which is powerful. Like I. And when I go back to when I said earlier, the courage. Right, like the courage it takes. And you said, no, it actually takes more courage to stay than to leave. But it is in fact courage because you are still deciding to leave something that has been comfortable for you for a period of time.
Matthew Finlan [00:29:53]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:29:53]:
And it's not like you're going back to Hong Kong.
Matthew Finlan [00:29:56]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:29:57]:
It's not like going somewhere different. Right. So it takes courage to uproot everything. I mean, I have no idea what it would take to go live in Peru. Like, what is it? What's the process? Like, are you going to become a citizen? Are you going to be dual citizen? Like, what does all of that look like? Those are logistics and those are things that we don't necessarily have to know when we're making the decision to anchor into the vision. But eventually they play a part and how we get there, that's part of that what it looks like.
Matthew Finlan [00:30:26]:
Totally. Totally. Well, okay. So my one on one containers, I call it applicable spirituality, communication and relationships, sales and stuff, it's actually all just. I call my container courage. It's the courage container, actually.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:30:39]:
Nice. I didn't know that.
Matthew Finlan [00:30:40]:
It's all anti action paralysis. That's what it is. That's the whole thing. Whole thing is time management priorities and techniques and teachings and blah. But it's actually just anti action paralysis and because it's all those questions that just started coming to your mind. I'll think of that when I get there.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:30:59]:
Yeah, right.
Matthew Finlan [00:31:00]:
Like, oh, but what about citizenship and how long can I be there? And like this. And it's like, I don't know, I'll just figure it out when I get there. Like and, and so often in, in as an entrepreneur, that's the same thing that happens. It's exactly. It's the exact same thing that happens is it's like, like genius and madness or next door neighbors or something. Right. Crazy and successful or like best friends, things of that nature. And so yeah, you know, the.
Matthew Finlan [00:31:26]:
Definitely does take courage. God definitely always like wanting us to expand. Right? God's wanting us to expand. He's wanting us to take our five talents and bring back 10.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:31:40]:
Right.
Matthew Finlan [00:31:40]:
Let's take our two talents and bring back four. That's, that's the, that's the point. The point is to expand and be that like beacon of light that just even the actions alone inspire others.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:31:55]:
Right.
Matthew Finlan [00:31:55]:
To do things. And so yeah, I mean, it's like it does take courage. Totally. I guess I'm just not new to it, I guess, you know.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:32:03]:
Yeah, well, right. You've been doing this for a while. But for the layperson who's listening.
Matthew Finlan [00:32:10]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:32:10]:
That wants to in a lot of ways uproot. Right. And uproot some of the things that need to be uprooted while also recognizing the need for the evolution to occur in a format that doesn't look like what they think it should look like. Like you have to be courageous to do that. Because how many of us have been given a command? Right. We, we've been told what we need to do, but. And we know we should be obedient. But obedience feels uncomfortable.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:32:46]:
Yeah, obedience feels restricting. Obedience feels like I have to. I'm gonna have to lose something in order to be obedient to this. And so they decide not to be obedient and to keep doing what they think is best instead of recognizing that God knows best and creating even more challenge for themselves. So the courage to surrender is a whole thing because not everybody who knows that they need to uproot is packing their bags right now.
Matthew Finlan [00:33:21]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:33:22]:
Well, the people are buying more things to inhabit the same place.
Matthew Finlan [00:33:26]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:33:27]:
You know what I mean?
Matthew Finlan [00:33:28]:
So that's been one thing. My partner, I too has just been like Humans are just collectors. We just collect stuff. Collect. Oh, my God, look at all this stuff. What the heck? We don't need this. Don't need that.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:33:38]:
What we got.
Matthew Finlan [00:33:39]:
The thing about courage is that because we all want to be courageous, right? Like, we can say across the board, every single human would be like, I desire to be courageous. Well, one thing that people don't take into consideration about courage is that it requires fear. You have to be scared to be courageous. Otherwise you're not being brave. You're just doing something. So if there's no fear, there's not even an opportunity for courage.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:34:13]:
That's good. Oh, that's so good. I say all the time that fear is an indication that your next level is present.
Matthew Finlan [00:34:19]:
And how do you get there?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:34:20]:
Yeah, right. To speak louder than the fear.
Matthew Finlan [00:34:26]:
Say that again, please.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:34:27]:
Allowing the courage to speak louder than the fear.
Matthew Finlan [00:34:30]:
That's right. That's right. You've heard. You've heard. There's this. I just brought up one thing. It's called Dawkins levels of consciousness. Really cool.
Matthew Finlan [00:34:36]:
This is really, really cool. Basically, like, you have a line, and then below the line you've got, like, pride and fear and envy and wrath. And at the very bottom is guilt and shame. And then above that you've got, you know, joy and happiness and abundance and whatever, all these things. But the breaker line is courage. That's like the transitionary line. Dawkins levels of consciousness. It's really, really.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:34:57]:
I wrote that down so I can look it up.
Matthew Finlan [00:34:58]:
There's this just to tie into the. Let. Encourage. Speak louder. Because that. That I just. There's this. I want to say Cherokee, but I could be wrong, but some sort of indigenous American teaching.
Matthew Finlan [00:35:11]:
And it basically goes like, the grandson goes up to the elder and says, elder, you know, teach me something. And then the elders and I'm going to butcher this for sure, but the idea is epic. And talks. The elder basically goes like, okay, well, there's two wolves inside of you, and they're fighting. And one of the wolves represents fear and envy and. And lack. And the other one represents courage and abundance and light. Fighting the sun.
Matthew Finlan [00:35:41]:
The. The grandson eventually goes, well, which wolf wins? And the elder says, the one that you feed.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:35:52]:
Yeah, that's good.
Matthew Finlan [00:35:54]:
Yeah. And I think about that.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:35:56]:
That's good.
Matthew Finlan [00:35:57]:
I think about that all the time. All the time. What are you feeding?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:36:00]:
Yeah, what are you feeding right now? Oh, that's so good, Matthew. Oh, my gosh. I'm looking at the time and I'm like, ah. Again, I know oh my gosh, this is so good. This is so good. Like, yeah, it's all I got is it's good. Like it's just really, really good. And I just know that the listeners are going to, they're going to have something to think about because if which you feed determines where you go.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:36:31]:
And the choices are fear and lack and darkness and courage, abundance and light. And I would argue most people are, without even realizing it, they're unconscious to the fact that they're feeding fear, lack and darkness.
Matthew Finlan [00:36:44]:
Yes, 100%. 100%. Yeah. Well, because that's, that's even. The thing about mindfulness too is it's like the brain is designed, it's a threat detector. Especially in everyone, but especially, especially in women. It's a threat detector. It's designed to detect threats.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:37:02]:
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Matthew Finlan [00:37:58]:
Millions planner.com and so that's like constantly what it's doing. Like what does the brain do? It monitors past patterns to help predict what may happen. And so all most of that prediction process is like last time when I was in a relationship like this, I got hurt in that way. Last time when I did this, I got hurt in that way. And so it's kind of constantly in this like looking for negativity to prevent negativity from happening. And so if you don't have mindfulness, you are feeding the dark wolf. Lately the question I've been asking myself directly and this for some of your listeners, this will apply and this would be a good one for you to ask which is I feel just kind of like a more like encompassing of all the things we've been Saying is, I'll ask myself, would this please God or Satan? Like, what I'm about to do, what I'm about to think is like, is God going like, yay? And that's kind of that expansion, contraction type of thing. And so I've been asking that a lot.
Matthew Finlan [00:39:01]:
And when I was at Bible camp when I was younger, there was this really fun play that they did where there's a fence and one person goes up. God's on one side saying like, hey, you know, do this, do this, you come to heaven, Satan's on your side. Do this, do this, he come to hell. You know, I'll give you the cards, I'll give you the things you don't need to, you know, and the person goes on the fence and, you know, first, you know what, the cars and all the, you know, you know, the. All the sins. That sounds good. I'm going to choose there. And the other one goes on and goes, you know what? No, I like it.
Matthew Finlan [00:39:28]:
And it goes to heaven and the third one goes on and it's like, I can't decide. And then the play ends with Satan going, ha, I own the fence. And so it talks about, like, basically better. Better to be hot or cold than lukewarm or you get chewed up and spit out. Really just living, kind of living in that where it's like, it is. It is black or white more so than we think when we enter into the spiritual world. And if you're not consciously feeding the abundance, courage, positive impact, action, risk taking. Yeah.
Matthew Finlan [00:40:07]:
Abundance wolf, then you're. Then you by default are feeding the other.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:40:11]:
Yeah. Oh, gosh. So, so much for people to think about. This is really, really powerful. And we'll definitely make sure that we put all of your information in the show notes so people can learn about the retreats and things that you're going to be doing once you get settled over there in Peru, which sounds amazing. I've never been to Peru. I've never even thought. I don't even think it was on my radar.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:40:33]:
But I'm going to add it to my list just to see it and to experience a country and a community where spirituality is ingrained like that. That sounds like a place I want to be. So I'm definitely excited about that and I love knowing you're going to be there and you have this cool retreat center. You know, I do retreats. I definitely want to make sure that we have a sidebar conversation about that. Anything, just in closing, anything else you want to be able to share that's sitting on your heart or in your spirit right now?
Matthew Finlan [00:41:04]:
Yeah. I got one thing that kind of ties it all together. Two things. I'm making education for kids. It's really cool, trust me. The thing that I want to bring forward is kind of the, like, how. How do I have the courage? And ironically, it's actually from fear, because I've seen enough humans that have gone to old folks homes and say, what do you regret? And they never say things they did. It's always things they didn't do.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:41:40]:
Oh, that is good. Oh, that's good. I like it. Yeah.
Matthew Finlan [00:41:45]:
My courage all day. Hilariously enough. Ironically enough, it's actually the fear of growing old and looking back at the actions I didn't take that I would probably regret.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:41:57]:
Yeah, the pain of regret. That's good. And what was the second thing?
Matthew Finlan [00:42:04]:
I have a youth academy. It's awesome.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:42:06]:
Okay, you're youth.
Matthew Finlan [00:42:07]:
Hit me up. I'm teaching. Teaching teenagers. Yeah, teaching teenagers how to be entrepreneurs. Self awareness and responsibility. All the fun things that you wish that you learned in school instead of the hard way in your 20s.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:42:17]:
And it's so important that we get that knowledge and information, so we'll make sure that we share that with everyone. This has been phenomenal, as I knew it would be. I. I just love the way that you think, how you process, how you reason. I love that you live in courage instead of fear. And you know, what I think is important to just share there as a, like a little sidebar, end note, is we're not saying, don't feel the fear. We're just saying not to let the fear feed you and to. Not to allow the fear to keep you from what it is, you know, you are called to do.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:42:52]:
Right. I've heard the analogy of, you know, when you first really start as an entrepreneur, the fear is in the passenger seat. It might even be in the driver's seat. Then eventually it's in the backseat, and then eventually it's in the trunk, and then eventually you leave it at home. And so I feel like, similarly, the important thing to do when there's a big decision to make, that's something that you're evolving into, you have an opportunity to really create a defining moment that is going to change the game and change your life. To lean into who you must be, who you must become, versus leaning into. How could you do this differently? Because that's the difference, if you ask me, between evolving or pivoting.
Matthew Finlan [00:43:35]:
That's excellent.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:43:36]:
Yeah. So I just want to say thanks again for being here. Matthew, this is amazing, amazing, amazing. We'll make sure we put all your details in the show notes. And for those of you who are listening, I know you're going to listen back a second time and do us a favor. When you listen to this episode, take a screenshot of however you listen, tag us in the story so that we can celebrate with you that you are moving one amount of courage closer to surrendering. Not abandoning the vision, but actually surrendering to what it needs to look like, be like and feel like in order for you to get to where it is that you desire to see. And we'll see you guys next time.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:44:13]:
Take care. Just like the last time he was here, the way that he thinks is probably different than you think and that's completely okay. If you understand the importance of evolving versus pivoting and you are willing to enact the courage to surrender, this is a conversation that you'll want to come back to and get some really powerful nuggets and tools that you can use in order to continue to navigate. He talked about really tuning into his body and asking himself a few questions. I just want to pull those out for you. Does this feel constrictive or expansive? And am I doing this out of obligation or inspiration? And that's as it pertains to anything. What you're envisioning, what you're desiring, what's next for you. And then when he said that courage actually requires you to feel fear, I got really excited about that and I cannot wait to look up Dawkins level of consciousness because courage is the breaking point, which is really, really powerful.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:45:15]:
So I hope this conversation really gives you something to meditate on and to think about as you think about your next season. How you're going to achieve the aggressive goals that you have to get your business to the million dollar mark for the very first time or to sustain your million dollar company. If you've already made the move, here's what I know. When you're willing to surrender and follow what is leading your heart, you'll always arrive wherever you desire to be. Although the journey may be a little bit different than you thought it might have been. I hope this blesses you and I'll see you next time. Take care. Thank you for joining me for the Move to Millions podcast.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:45:55]:
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Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:46:25]:
Take care.
