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In August 2024, I had the pleasure of being interviewed by Marc Champagne on his Behind the Human Podcast. Marc’s show is known for unpacking the stories and mental fitness practices of people living at the top of their game personally and professionally.
While we working diligently on season 6 for you, enjoy this powerful episode to learn my thoughts on how to rewrite your money story.
Your money story is either the catalyst to your next level or the cadaver earmarking your demise. You get to choose. While none of us can change the family we were born into and how we learn that there is a thing called money, all of us have the power to shift those early learnings and beliefs into a relationship that allows us to be the change we wish to see in the world.
Recognized for saying “the way you see money is really about the way you see yourself,” Darnyelle is requiring entrepreneurs and business leaders to RISE UP as they normalize access to wealth and abundance as their birthright.
Dr. Darnyelle is a God Girl, an Award-Winning Business Growth Strategist, a Multi-Millionaire Business Mentor, and an Inc. 5000 CEO. Her journey began in chaotic circumstances, as she was born to drug-addicted parents and faced challenges that would have discouraged many. However, Dr. Darnyelle defied the odds, breaking belief barriers and emerging as a disruptor in the business world.
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Five Powerful Quotes:
“Creating wealth isn’t just about making money; it’s about building a legacy that transforms future generations.”– Darnyelle Jervey Harmon
“I trust, I allow, I receive. Thank you. More, please.”– Darnyelle Jervey Harmon
“It’s not about hustle; it’s about amplifying your unique gifts with integrity to attract the rewards you seek.”– Darnyelle Jervey Harmon
“Money is a tool and an energy, not an identity. Shift your perspective, and abundance will follow.”– Darnyelle Jervey Harmon
“Turning 40 isn’t a crisis; it’s an opportunity to align your life with your true desires and catalyze unprecedented growth.”– Marc Champagne
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Darnyelle [00:00:04]:
You’re listening to the Move to Millions podcast with Dr. Darnyelle J. Harmon. If you’re ready for high level conversations that position and prepare you to move your company cash flow and connection to and beyond the million dollar mark. Let’s get this party started. This episode is powered by Move to Millions live 2025. Our theme is the overflow. I am so excited that we are back in Move to Millions Live season.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:00:40]:
Coming up this week, as a result of our Black Friday and Cyber Monday sale, there will be an unprecedented opportunity for you to grab your ticket. We are going to be live May 21st through 23rd in either the Washington D.C. area or Atlanta, Georgia. And if you know that you’re going to be there, you want to take advantage of our amazing specials this weekend, go right now to movetomillionsevent.com to get all the deets and to grab your seat. I am excited to be back with you for another episode here on the Move to Millions podcast. I am your grateful and excited host, Dr. Darnyelle Jervy Harmon and I’ve got another treat for you this week. We are technically between seasons, so I’m not producing any new episodes for the rest of season five.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:01:39]:
But I’ve had an amazing opportunity to guest on some powerful shows and other platforms. If you have never heard of these platforms and these podcasts, then you might miss the magic that I made with that particular guest. And so guess what we’re doing for the rest of season five until we’re ready to launch season six, I’m bringing you those episodes right here on the show and the one I have for you today. Omg. It’s such a game changer. Listen, you guys know if you’re. Unless you’re new around here, you know how I roll. I believe that millions are your birthright.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:02:16]:
I believe to access them you need only move. I believe that you stepping powerfully into a money story and a relationship with money that serves you and honors and respects money is the game changer that will move your business to and beyond the seven figure mark. So I had the opportunity to be a guest on behind the Human. Such a powerful conversation. I cannot wait for you guys to hear the conversation that Marc Champagne and I got into. So good. So juicy. Good.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:02:52]:
Now I am going to run this episode exactly like it ran on Marc’s show. I’m making no changes whatsoever. So you’re gonna hear it how the listeners of this episode heard it first when it ran this year on his show. And I’m excited for you because I Know that it’s going to be a game changer. This episode ran on August 5th on behind the Human. So grab your move to millions podcast notebook, take a deep breath, center yourself and anchor in to the belief that abundance is your birthright. And let’s jump into my conversation with Marc Champagne on his podcast behind the Human.
Marc Champagne [00:03:43]:
All right, welcome everyone to another episode of behind the Human. I’m your host, Marc Champagne and it’s my job to unpack the stories and mental fitness practices of people living at the top of their game, personally and professionally. And do we ever have an amazing, amazing treat for all of you. Today we’ve got Dr. Darnyelle, who is a God girl, award winning business growth strategist, multimillionaire business mentor, and Inc. 5000 CEO. Her journey began in chaotic circumstances. Born to drug addicted parents and facing challenges that would have discouraged many, however, she defied the odds, breaking belief barriers and emerging as a disruptor in the business world.
Marc Champagne [00:04:24]:
And she is just full of awesome energy is what I would describe you as. So welcome to the show. Who are you?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:04:33]:
Yeah, I am a very intentional human and I have made a decision to be abundance in every way and always. And I live my life with that intention. I am extremely committed to building relationships and connecting and connecting with people for no other reason than the connection.
Marc Champagne [00:05:08]:
Ooh, I like that distinction.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:05:10]:
Cause I think I feel like, you know, as business people and hey, I’m on your show, right? I could be on here just trying to promote myself, but I’m not. I’m on here to have an amazing conversation with you, to connect with you, to connect with your listeners and to see how the ball bounces. Because when you have decided to be as intentional as I am, you detach from all outcomes and you just show up fully. And so at my core, that’s who I am. I mean, if you happen to look at this, you’ll see that I’m a black girl. If you happen to hear me talk for any amount of time, you’ll hear that. That I’m a God girl. I love God.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:05:48]:
And I believe that businesses that have a spiritual foundation go farther, faster. I am sometimes funny, sometimes quirky. I love a good book. I love to sleep and I love to dance.
Marc Champagne [00:06:03]:
Yes. Sign me up for your protocol. I like it. Well, we’re going to dive right in then. Because just even off of this answer, the thing that comes to mind right away is. Or the question I have you always been like, have you always had these characteristics or values instilled in you or Is this something that you had to grow into? Because I feel like, like truly letting go of expectations and stuff like that, that’s really takes a lot of work. I. At least I think, because our society is the opposite.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:06:43]:
I would agree. I would tell you that when I turned 40 and I’m 48, I literally felt like I entered the promised land. Like my first 40 years of living, I was wandering, you know, I was taking that couple of days journey that took me 40 years to get there. And all of a sudden the demystification happened. All of a sudden I was confident enough, I was brilliant enough, I was everything enough. And it ceased to matter what other people thought of me. So it was absolutely perpetual overtime. Lots of bumps and bruises, lots of being knocked down and dusting myself and getting back up.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:07:23]:
That really led to the culmination of the woman I get to be today. I wish I could say I woke up like this, but that would be a lie. And that would also not serve anyone to believe that any of us have arrived, right? And I’m. And I’m still not. I still haven’t arrived, whatever the word is, I haven’t arrived yet. I’m still on this journey in this destination every day, making conscious decisions to do a little bit more, to live into the abundance that I’ve decided that I am and to create an environment and a safe space to allow other people to do the same.
Marc Champagne [00:07:57]:
I have to ask you about being in the 40s because there’s. So. I just turned 40 last month.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:08:06]:
Oh, congratulations. And happy birthday.
Marc Champagne [00:08:08]:
Thank you, thank you. And my wife as well, 15 days later. And we kind of both, without even really talking about it, had this feeling of the third. For at least for us, the 30s were just like a hell of a ride, basically. Completely different people, different careers, like so much change and whatnot, and, you know, a lot of ups and downs because of that, but super grateful. But to your point, it’s like something happens at least 40 that I have a hard time explaining. So I’m going to ask you to see if you can. But it was like, I’m ready for this next decade.
Marc Champagne [00:08:45]:
Like, buckle up, let’s go. If to your point, feels like put in a lot of work and gone through a lot of different things that, like, I’m. Least for me feel like, let’s go. Abundance all the way around. And like there’s this other level of confidence though, with that.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:09:01]:
And I. What happens, it’s inexplicable. And the only thing I can relate it to is the Story in the Bible of the children of Israel. Right. So if you know the story, the children of Israel were slaves and they were granted release a little reluctantly by Pharaoh. And they were guided by Moses to get to the promised land, the land flowing with milk and honey that God had promised for them since before they were enslaved. And what should have taken them three days actually took them 40 years to actually get there. And so for me, like, as I think about my life experience, I was born to drug addicted parents in 1975.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:09:45]:
My mom went to jail when I was 8. My dad was an addict the whole time I was growing up. He stole money from me, like all the things. I went to college, luckily enough to go on a full scholarship. Got a great job right out of college after I decided not to go to law school, worked that job for 12 years, ended up becoming a vice president, making 100,000 doll a year, like all the things, and still getting to what many would have described to be the pinnacle of life. Like you have arrived and feeling like something was missing. There had to be more to life than that. That sitting behind someone else’s desk was not what I was supposed to do with my life experience.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:10:24]:
And recognizing that, I got to make a decision about what I would do next. And I feel like if you’ve lived 40 years, not only do you have the bumps and the bruises, but you also have the trophies.
Marc Champagne [00:10:40]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:10:40]:
And you deserve to take a little lenience and decide to do things your way. And I just feel like at that moment, crossing over that threshold, it’s like, you know what? I’ve made it this far. There’s so many people who don’t make it here.
Marc Champagne [00:10:53]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:10:53]:
And because of I’m here with my experience, with everything I’ve been through, every piece of trauma, every piece of triumph, I’m going to live my life fully. Because there’s also this recognition. If you look at the average lifespan, the average person lives to be 78 to 82 years old. So at 40, you’re like halfway through your life. Like you might have regrets, but you don’t want to keep living in the regrets. And so you’re willing to get a little bit more courage and do the thing that is going to make a difference.
Marc Champagne [00:11:24]:
Yeah. It’s interesting because, I mean, I’m sure you’ve kind of live seeing this or hearing this as well. Like you think of turning 40 and it’s like the classic like your midlife crisis. But so far it maybe it’s just the circle that I hang around with because we’re all for the, like, business owners or entrepreneurs of some sort. It’s been the reverse. It’s been like, wow, like, we got to this point, let’s go. So I wonder. It’s probably something to do with, I imagine people that, you know, have been doing things in their lives that just aren’t in true alignment and whatever, and you hit this.
Marc Champagne [00:12:01]:
This period of. Well, wait a second. Like, it’s probably. Actually, it’s probably the same thing that you’re saying. It’s just.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:12:06]:
Yeah.
Marc Champagne [00:12:06]:
For those that go through a midlife crisis, it’s more of it’s time to change. Like, you have those same feelings, but they may be stuck in a job or a situation or whatever it is. Right. That. Yeah. Needs to change. Okay, fascinating. So I’d be remiss, though, to not ask for your advice or perspective when, you know, speaking.
Marc Champagne [00:12:29]:
There’s a lot of people on the show that are younger than 40 and, you know, might be going through their journey and going through the highs and lows and so forth. Just kind of what you just shared, like, what would be your advice to those that are. Might be in a slump or something like that.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:12:45]:
Hang on. It gets better.
Marc Champagne [00:12:47]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:12:48]:
Keep getting up one day at a time, putting one foot in front of the other, making decisions that shift perspectives as much as you possibly can, because it gets to be easy and it will get easier.
Marc Champagne [00:13:02]:
Yeah. What. What do you use for your mind to shift perspective? And like, what are some of your foundational rituals or routines that you use either a daily or weekly basis?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:13:14]:
Yes, I probably have three distinct ones that are popping in right now. Number one, visualization.
Marc Champagne [00:13:20]:
Okay.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:13:21]:
The power of seeing a different reality. So I talk a lot in my work about operating from your vision point and not your vantage point. Because your vantage point is always skewed. Right. So always thinking ahead, where it is that you desire to be instead of wherever you might be in that particular moment. So visualization. Journaling would be the second.
Marc Champagne [00:13:40]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:13:41]:
Just taking time and asking myself a reflective question and sitting with the answer and sitting with myself long enough to get the answer.
Marc Champagne [00:13:52]:
Ooh.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:13:53]:
And then the third would be moving my body.
Marc Champagne [00:13:59]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:14:00]:
Like, I feel like by getting up and, you know, shaking things off, getting out into the grass and allowing myself to ground whatever might be happening internally, I get to shake it up so that I can shift. And so those would be my three.
Marc Champagne [00:14:17]:
I love it. So for the journaling, giving yourself the space and time for the. The answer to surface, like, what. What does your practice look like? Is that Pen to paper, is that blocking a certain amount of time or, like, just practically speaking, what does it look like for you?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:14:33]:
Yeah, so I try to. When I first get up in the morning, you know, first practice, of course, is gratitude. So immediately, thank you for opening my eyes. Right. Thank you. That I can move and wiggle parts of my body. And then I get up, I go. I get on the treadmill for 20 to 30 minutes, which for me is just an exercise of getting my heart rate up.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:14:56]:
Right? Like, just keeping my heart health and healthy. Soon as I come down off the treadmill, and it’s interesting because when I’m on the treadmill, I hear so much that I then go to my journal. And so it’s typically 15 or 20 minutes, and I just pose a question. And it’s typically the question that came to me while I was on the treadmill. So purposely, while I’m on the treadmill, I’m listening to instrumental music. So nothing is being. Nothing is being insinuated. Right? It’s just music.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:15:25]:
And I can hear what my spirit is saying to me about that day, about my intentions for the day. And then I literally just pose the question that pops in as soon as I sit down. And I. Sometimes I immediately write. Sometimes I take a deep breath, I sit back, I think about it for a second, and then I just let the pen speak. And then once I finish letting the pen speak, that might be five to 10 minutes. Then I read and reflect. And then I ask myself, would Abundance add anything else?
Marc Champagne [00:15:59]:
Ooh, that is juicy. I like that. That’s showing up in the journal tomorrow morning over here, I’ll tell you that much.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:16:06]:
Yeah. And then I sit with that, and I see what else Abundance would add. And then at the end, I just sit and I reflect and I state one of my mantras, like the one. I just. Actually just heard this yesterday. So today was literally the first time I said this was. I trust, I allow, I receive. Thank you.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:16:30]:
More, please.
Marc Champagne [00:16:32]:
Ooh, I’m writing that down. I like that. I like that. Isn’t it amazing? I find, because I want to get into some of your work as well, which obviously I think will dovetail into this or dovetail into it quite naturally, because I know you’re a big proponent of making sure the mind is set up, you know, go into business and so forth. But I always find it, like, fascinating that over almost 400 interviews now with lovely humans like yourself, the consistent. The consistent kind of practice, the generalization is we all take time to distill the Mind and let it breathe and think, which is not what’s portrayed in the media. In the outside world, it’s like grind, hustle, this, that, like if you’re going to be, if you’re going to start a company, it’s like you’ve got to do this, this and this. But it’s all the thing that’s always kind of brushed over is there’s actually downtime for the mind there all the time.
Marc Champagne [00:17:37]:
Right. Like it comes up all the time. And whether I’ve interviewed someone or the people that I’ve studied for the book and so forth, right across from the beginning of time, like there’s time to let the mind sit and to your point, like those questions to come up, the ideas to come up, it’s just so valuable.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:17:55]:
Yeah. Genius needs space.
Marc Champagne [00:17:58]:
Yeah. So how do you, and maybe, maybe this isn’t a big struggle for you now, but maybe at one point it was. But how do you combat or deal with the difference those two worlds? You know, this, you have some pretty solid practices, but everything in the outside world is, you know, links to comparison and pushing and this and that. Have you had to come to terms with that in any capacity or let it go?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:18:25]:
Yeah, definitely. Sometimes letting it go, sometimes letting it be right. And I think the biggest thing for me is that at this juncture, I am number one.
Marc Champagne [00:18:40]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:18:41]:
Nothing else comes before me. And because of that, I’m willing to give myself the time and space to do what I need to do. I, you know, I run a company. I’m not in a solopreneur who has a lifestyle business. I have full time employees who come to work every single day on behalf of the vision that God gave me to serve this planet. And I, as the CEO of this company, have made a decision that my workday does not begin until 10am sure. I’m not a person who wakes up at the butt crack of dawn to do all of the things before the rest of the world works up. No, I value sleep.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:19:27]:
I told you that when I told you who I am. Right. And that means I’m sleeping for eight hours every single night, hook or crook. And if I wake up at 4 or 5am because I have a thought, I’m going back to bed until I get my eight hours exactly. And when I do finally wake, the first thing that’s happening is I’m going to take care of my vessel, I’m getting on the treadmill, I’m spending that time for myself. I believe what the stewardess or flight attendants say when we get on airplanes. Secure your mask before helping those on the journey with you. And so for me to secure my mask that means I wake up between 7:30 and 8.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:20:09]:
I do you know my gratitude, all of that. I’m typically on the treadmill by 8:20. I’m on the treadmill for 20, 30 minutes. So we’re talking 8:50, 9:00. I then come back upstairs, I shower, I go get my dog, I take her for a walk, I come back in, I have breakfast and then I drive to work.
Marc Champagne [00:20:29]:
Yeah, yeah. Just setting boundaries.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:20:33]:
Yes. Self care is a business growth strategy.
Marc Champagne [00:20:37]:
Well said.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:20:39]:
So if we don’t take like what is there to steward as a CEO if you don’t, if you’re not taking care of yourself.
Marc Champagne [00:20:46]:
Yeah, yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:20:48]:
And so that has become like definitive. That is what I do. That is a boundary. Everything else has to work now are there exceptions? Sure. Sometimes I have to take a 6am flight and that usurps my rituals. Right. And those are the exception, not the rule. And as a team there might be some days that I get in here at 9am when the rest of the team is getting here and when I do that, know that I’ve chosen to get up earlier to do all of the things I need to do before I come to work because I am number one and you know, I believe self care is not selfish and I believe that we do the world a disservice if we are not well, whatever that means for us.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:21:33]:
So mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, financially, if we are not well we are not helping anybody solve any problem. And so by making that decision and living into it and being an example of it, I’m hoping that I’m creating an environment for other people to do the same.
Marc Champagne [00:21:52]:
Well, I’d say you are. I mean I just love already just I can pick up on the theme or energy of the conversation and there’s a lot of, a lot of it being grounded around just setting really clear intentions for yourself which I feel in like I was, I was looking at a way so I really want to get into your work which this is your work obviously but the, that’s kind of the theme that I, I’ve, I’ve pulled out some quotes from, from the website and some of the testimonials and stuff like that and there’s just a lot of, there’s a lot of similarity when it comes to just like being like bold intentions. Like just put it out there. There’s one line here I want, I’d love to get your Feedback or talk about it reads like this. If you don’t come from millions, millions should come from you. Like that. That packs a punch. Let’s talk about that line.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:22:45]:
Yeah, I. So here’s the thing. You know, I’m a business person. I love business. And we look at the statistics around small business, which is the backbone of the economy in the United States. I know you’re in Canada. Yeah, it’s a little abysmal. Right.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:23:03]:
And we have all of these people who are business owners who cannot afford to create a business that offers them a really viable wage to create financial legacy. I want every single one of you to pass down your recipes, but I also want you to pass down something they can fold so that you can shift your generational trajectory. And that’s regardless of where you come from. Right. Even the rockefellers who had seven or 800 generations worth of wealth, needed to continue working at financial legacy so that there would be something for the 13 generation Vanderbilts or Roosevelts or, you know, whomever. So because of that, I feel like, you know, when we get a job, we get a job to live, but to also create, to prepare for retirement and to be able to leave something. But when we become entrepreneurs, we are taught our foundation of the culture in entrepreneurship is hustle, hustle, hustle. Make just enough to get by and that’ll be great.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:24:10]:
And I think that that’s a lie and we need to stop trying to sell it. And so for me, entrepreneurship, I believe, is the vehicle that was created for us to become wealthy. And not wealth for the sake of having more things, but wealth for the sake of changing generational trajectories to be able to leave behind. And so I didn’t come from millions. Right. My parents were dirt poor. I mean, I was born in the projects. Right.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:24:40]:
I didn’t come, I didn’t come from millions. My, my mom does not have an estate that she will leave me. My dad already passed away. And as a result of that, I mean, I got, I got a little bit of change. I got like $10,000. And I’m grateful because we were able to sell his home after we paid off all of his debts. But I’m not changing my life with $10,000.
Marc Champagne [00:25:03]:
Yeah, yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:25:04]:
I’m not establishing a rubric upon which my family can stake its reputation on $10,000. And so something’s gotta change. So if you did not come from millions, then millions should come from you. And if you came from millions, your responsibility is to create some more millions so that more millions can come from you. And I just think that it’s how we pay it forward and it’s how we make the world a better place. Right. It’s hard to be the. If you don’t have any.
Marc Champagne [00:25:33]:
Yeah, well, and I think the other thing too, just like we have this weird relationship with. With money. And it’s like seeing, you know, in certain. I’m stereotyping or making generalizations, I should say. But like, I think a lot of us have. Have a hard time with. It’s like you almost. Almost see money as evil in a way.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:25:55]:
Yeah, most people do because that’s what they were taught.
Marc Champagne [00:25:57]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:25:58]:
And taught sometimes through actually someone saying money is evil, but also taught through what happens and what you observe around money. Because even if you come from a family that is well off or does well, but money is taboo. You can’t talk about it. It’s disrespectful. How dare you ask those questions? Then you’re going to form an opinion that there’s something wrong with money and it’s going to taint your experience with it.
Marc Champagne [00:26:25]:
Yeah, yeah. So where do you start when people come into your programs and whatnot? Like what’s where. What’s the foundation that you work on before getting into different growth strategies or, you know, how to put on a multimillion dollar event and so forth?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:26:45]:
Yeah. So the very first thing we do is we do a very detailed assessment. We look under the hood of their business. We look at all the nooks and crannies. We’re looking for the gaps so that we can identify what’s going to be the right way to get them to where they desire to be instead. And as a part of that, we are exploring their relationship with money. We’re exploring their family dynamic, we’re exploring what they believe to be true. We’re exploring their fears, their limiting beliefs.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:27:13]:
We’re exploring the conscious thoughts as well as the subconscious patterns that are flowering, the decisions that they make and the actions that they take. We get into all of that and then as we get an understanding of it, we start to do the work to reframe the beliefs that they hold that are going to impact the strategies that they use and ultimately the results that they get. So it’s really deep and introspective. It is. You know, I’m a category of 1. There are not other people in the world that care this much about not just business, but the business owner to do this extensive level of work all under the guise of business. Right. So, yeah, you know, some People are just the money mindset coach.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:27:58]:
Some people are just the marketing coach or the sales coach. We run the gamut. We look at the entire infrastructure internally and externally in order to support them to get to where it is that they really desire to be. And it can take time, right? It depends on how deep the wounds are, so to speak. And you know, I don’t, I’m not an, I’m not a therapist. I don’t play one on tv. I do have certifications and modalities and tools that I can use that allow me to deal with wealth, energetics and neuroscience and peak performance and, and mindset and all of those things. And we partner with mental health professionals when that’s the right solution for the client.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:28:41]:
But I believe that because money is a tool, it’s an energy, it’s not an identity. We have a responsibility to shift people from looking at money as their identity. And we have to do that work if we want to help them make millions of dollars. Because if they believe a million dollars is a lot of money, they’ll never earn it. No matter how good they are, no matter what widget they create, no matter what problem they solve, they’ll never earn a lot of money. They will constantly self sabotage because they believe that that’s more than they deserve or our worth. Unless we help them to reset their worth and understand that it has nothing to do with money and get them out of the identity of money and get them into leveraging money as an energetic source or tool.
Marc Champagne [00:29:30]:
Are there. Let’s pull that thread a little bit, a little bit more because I feel like probably the vast majority of the people listening right now would, would resonate with everything you’re saying there. Just given, you know, how, how money just plays such an important role obviously in all of our lives. Are there any, are there any questions that come to mind or practices that, that you use that could help someone listening now to I guess start re reforming a healthier relationship with wealth and money?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:30:04]:
Absolutely. So one of the things that we do, we literally just did it at our live event at the time of this recording. We recently held our annual event, Move to Millions live. And so one of the things that I have come to learn through studying neuroscience and metaphysics and understanding our brains and how they work is that when we are born, we’re literally only born with a subconscious mind. And our conscious mind is formed based on everything we observe and what we take in. And so one of the exercises we do, I call it your inner seven year old because from Birth to the age of seven, your patterns are established. And then from seven beyond, you’ll replay those patterns and seven year increments in the various areas of your life. So specifically for money, we look for the first memory you have with money.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:30:52]:
And the average person has their first money memory somewhere between birth and the age of seven. And then based on what that brought up for you, we can determine the patterns. I’m going to make it about me for a second. So first time I learned that there was this thing called money, I was six years old, I was in the grocery store with my mother and I grabbed a little something that I wanted to have for myself. And when I we got to the point for my mom to pay, I handed it over. And when I handed it over, I was met with the back of my mother’s hand and a lesson about money that was we don’t need that. Money is only for what we need. So throughout my life I looked at not what I wanted, not the pair of shoes that was calling to me as I walked through the mall, but the cheap shoes that would serve the need.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:31:48]:
Yeah, you know, like that’s just one example. So that happened at age six. Every six years in my seven year pattern, I would have something happen with money. Sometimes it was positive, but most of the time it was negative. I remember when I was in my teens and I came home from cheerleading practice to learn and get my bank statement because I had been working from the time I was 13 to learn that my dad took almost $7,500 out of my bank account and spent it for himself. I remember going to the financial aid office, was on a full scholarship and there was a little glitch in the system that was going to impact my scholarship and I was going to have to come up with this money. These things happened every six years in a seven year pattern. I filed bankruptcy the sixth year and a seven year pattern in my 30s because of these money traumas, because of my beliefs around money and the way that I saw money.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:32:47]:
So what I recommend is that you take a sheet of paper, number it from 1 to 7, 8 to 14, 15 to 21, et cetera, et cetera, and increments of 7 and go back as far as you possibly can and chart the money stuff, positive and negative and let’s see what comes up.
Marc Champagne [00:33:06]:
So what did you do for you personally? What did you do next? Like you now you have your chart, you can see the pattern. How did you, how did you take the next step? Or what is the next step?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:33:17]:
I started to reframe what I believe to be true about money. Right. You alluded to this earlier. I was born and raised in the church, and church people live the quote, the misquote, by the way, that money is the root of all evil. That’s not what the scripture says. The scripture actually says the love of money is the root of all evil. And it doesn’t even mean that literally. What it really means is extreme greed is the root of all evil.
Marc Champagne [00:33:43]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:33:44]:
But those of us who just look at the scripture or the phrase or have had it said to us at face value will think that loving money, wanting money, needing money, desiring money, is evil. And therefore we will do anything in our power to not be evil. And that will, of course, impact our money. Right. And so I had to start to reframe the beliefs I had to start to question. And the biggest thing that happened, Marc, is when I filed bankruptcy, the bankruptcy trustee forced me to take a financial literacy course. And that financial literacy course, it taught me what most people who know about money know. The, you know, the literacy piece, the how to budget, all of that.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:34:29]:
But I also. One of the texts was a book called A Happy Pocket Full of Money, which talks about the metaphysics and the energy of money. And so that allowed me to learn what money really was. And because up until that point, money was a function of my identity, we were poor, we were broke. I would say often, I am broke. And I would say it with a badge of honor because that was my identity. And as a result of these experiences that culminated at the bankruptcy, I recognized that not only was I not broke, but that did not have to be my reality, and that I could change how I saw myself, how I saw money, and how money entered into my life experience. And so I began to unravel and undo the beliefs by reframing them in a way that would serve and support what I desired.
Marc Champagne [00:35:24]:
Instead, then I assume, like as old programming would come up, then you’re probably more self aware, there’s that old kind of narrative and so forth, and almost reframe it real time. Right. Do you know when. Was there a moment when things. When you really felt like a massive shift? Because, I mean, from bankruptcy in your 30s to kind of what I can least see on the outside in what you’re doing in your 40s? Seems to be pretty far.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:35:56]:
Yeah.
Marc Champagne [00:35:56]:
Far past.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:35:57]:
Yeah, I’m worth $12 million now.
Marc Champagne [00:35:59]:
Yeah. Okay, so what was the. Was there a big shift or was it maybe just incremental?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:36:04]:
It was. It was incremental. It. I mean, it started with a happy pocket full of money and putting into practice many of the things that David Cameron Jakandi talks about in that book. So. So just testing the theory.
Marc Champagne [00:36:19]:
Okay.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:36:20]:
It started with that. And, you know, and a big thing was, you don’t have to work hard for money. Because most of us, again, whether we come from money or not, that’s what we were taught. Right. You get money when you effort.
Marc Champagne [00:36:32]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:36:33]:
But the fact of the matter is you don’t have to effort for energy. Right.
Marc Champagne [00:36:38]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:36:39]:
You don’t have to effort for air. So it went against everything that I believe in as I started to challenge it. And see, like, I remember the first time, Marc, I made money, and it. I didn’t work hard, and it was easy. Now, I’ll be honest. Initially, it felt a little weird. I’m like, okay, am I gonna. Like, is this legal?
Marc Champagne [00:36:59]:
Yeah, exactly.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:37:00]:
Is someone gonna come and arrest me? But eventually I realized that everything that I thought wasn’t true and that I could make money without working hard and that I could make money for being brilliant at what it is that I do. And that I could make more in a day than most people make in a year.
Marc Champagne [00:37:22]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:37:22]:
And that I could keep challenging the limit. I could keep collapsing the amount of time it would take me to make another significant amount of money. And it became this game that I play. I call it the Money Moves Game. And I just. I make money move, and it’s a game I play every day. Money moves in my present every day. And it just.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:37:43]:
It comes from some of the most amazing places.
Marc Champagne [00:37:47]:
So. But I have to. I mean, this is probably my old programming. Like, when I hear you say, I don’t have to work hard for money, like, even for me, it feels like, ooh. Like, but. But I want to say, like, yeah, but I also know, like, because we were good.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:38:02]:
We.
Marc Champagne [00:38:02]:
We originally were going to book this podcast, I think, a few weeks back. But, you know, you were busy with obviously preparing and putting on this live event. So it’s not like you’re just sitting at home doing nothing.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:38:13]:
Right.
Marc Champagne [00:38:13]:
Like, just so people don’t take that in the wrong context, like, what does that mean for you when you say you don’t have to work hard for money? Or what’s the. I guess, what’s the self talk there?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:38:26]:
Yeah. I mean, is there work? Yes. But is it hustle and grind, grueling? I can’t eat, I’ll sleep when I die work? Is it that I’m out of integrity and I. I do things that are not in alignment with my goals and my values. Do I have to go rob people to do it? No. I mean, I. I’m a business consultant, so I’m sitting here talking to you today in my office. But guess what? Right now, at this moment, Marc, I’m working.
Marc Champagne [00:38:56]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:38:57]:
And I’m having a hell of a time having this conversation with you.
Marc Champagne [00:39:00]:
I hear.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:39:00]:
There’s no sweat on my brow.
Marc Champagne [00:39:02]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:39:03]:
Right. I did not have to compromise or sacrifice anything that’s important to me in order to do this work. When I held my live event, sure. For six months, we marketed that live event. We sent tons of emails. I did tons of podcast interviews. I stood on lots of stages. I worked.
Marc Champagne [00:39:24]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:39:24]:
But did I sacrifice anything? Did I hustle and grind? Did I lose sleep? Absolutely not. And I think, you know, as a culture in entrepreneurship and also in the United States. Right. I don’t. I don’t. You know, I’ve been to Canada. I’ve been in and around. But I know other countries don’t look at work like we do.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:39:46]:
Our whole everything is based on effort.
Marc Champagne [00:39:50]:
Yeah. No, it’s similar here.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:39:52]:
And it’s almost like you’re lazy if you’re not sweating when you work. And so there is this misconception or this misnomer that says that it’s not really work if there isn’t an expenditure that. That takes place. And I want to. I want to challenge that limit for everyone. And for those of you who are listening right now, you know, you’re entrepreneur, small business owner, you have a gift. And your gift is innate. It’s natural.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:40:19]:
It’s like the back of your hand. You don’t have to read a book. You don’t have to prepare to operate in your gift. You can just show up in any space and transform the area that you have been uniquely designed to fulfill on this planet. I would hope that as you’re listening, you’re shaking your head yes.
Marc Champagne [00:40:38]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:40:39]:
That is your gift. That is your work. Do you have to hustle to do it? Do you have to undermine your integrity to do it? Do you have to choose to do it over anything else that you might choose? I would imagine that if we were in a conversation right now, you tell me, me know. So you already know and have the underpinnings of what it’s like to do work that isn’t hard. What would happen if you amplified or expanded or accelerated doing that work and allowed yourself to call in the financial reward that goes along with doing that work and Solving a problem for a person who’s been unsuccessful at creating that solution themselves. That’s what I’m suggesting.
Marc Champagne [00:41:25]:
Well said. You got me all fired up. No, but that’s such a. I mean, at least for me personally, so helpful. It makes me think of just also kind of, again, taking a pause and grabbing a pen and a journal at one point and just getting real clear on, like, what are my belief systems around, whether it’s money, whether the. You know, how I see business. Like, just pick the important things in, in life and write out, you know, like, what are the current belief systems? And usually I think when you go through a practice like that, you can see, like, we were born into a lot of these, right? And to your point, like the programming as we go and so forth, and give ourselves the opportunity to ask, well, are they still in check? Like, do I need to upgrade some of these?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:42:18]:
Right?
Marc Champagne [00:42:18]:
And usually there’s probably quite a few that, that do need an upgrade, but we just don’t ask the questions or we don’t take the time to think.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:42:24]:
About it and we just meander. Like, we just. We just exist in it, right? Like, I tell this story when I speak about a little girl who’s watching her mom make a ham. Mom takes the ham out of the container, washes the ham, gets the pan, cuts the butt off the ham, puts the ham in the pan, puts it in the oven. Little girl is extremely inquisitive, and she wants to understand what mom is doing, right? Because she might one day make a ham for her family. So she says, mom, why’d you cut the butt off the ham before you put it in the pan and put it in the oven? Mom says, you know, I don’t know. Ask Grandma, because that’s the way she did it. Little girl calls grandma, grandma, Mom’s making a ham.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:43:10]:
She washed the ham, she cut the butt off the ham, she put the ham in the pan, she put the pan in the oven, and now the ham is cooking. Why did she cut the butt off the ham? Grandma tells little girl, I don’t know why your mom did it, but I did it because my pan wasn’t big enough to hold the whole ham.
Marc Champagne [00:43:27]:
Oh, wow, okay.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:43:29]:
How many times are we asleep at the will in our lives doing what we saw done without ever asking the question if that’s what we should be doing?
Marc Champagne [00:43:39]:
Wow, that’s a great story. That’s a great. I didn’t think you were going there. I thought it was. You’re going to. Oh, well, my mom told me and it just like a generational thing that continued. That’s even. Even more powerful.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:43:54]:
Yeah, but. But we. And we all had those. Yeah, right.
Marc Champagne [00:43:59]:
Yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:44:01]:
In every different way. We have them around money. Like my dad uses craziest thing. And I had to stop myself from doing it. My dad would unplug all of the electronics at night before he went to bed.
Marc Champagne [00:44:13]:
Okay.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:44:14]:
I don’t know if it saved us any money on the electric bill, but that is what he did. And I remember when I moved into my very first apartment, I literally would go around at night and unplug everything. And then one day I was doing it, and one of my friends was like, why are you doing that? Well, that’s what my dad did. Well, why did your dad do it? I don’t know.
Marc Champagne [00:44:37]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:44:38]:
And she’s like, well, why are you doing something that you don’t know why you’re doing? And I literally just had to stop. It was like one of those. If you remember, Arsenio hall used to have a talk show, and he used to have this segment called things that make you go. Hmm. It was one of those things. I was like, I have no idea why I do this. I’m not going to do it anymore.
Marc Champagne [00:44:57]:
Yeah. And I’m going to, like, not doing it because I just saved all this time unplugging I.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:45:02]:
To do this every night before I go to bed. Crazy.
Marc Champagne [00:45:05]:
Yeah. It’s wild. But it’s a good point. There’s. I mean, that’s a pretty kind of in your face obvious one, but I suspect there are so many things that we’re doing that are, like, kind of just below the surface that, like. Wait a second, you know, let’s. Let’s just. Just do a little edit there, you know, and shift.
Marc Champagne [00:45:26]:
So what’s got you. What’s got you excited right now? As you’re 40, would you say 48?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:45:33]:
46.
Marc Champagne [00:45:33]:
48.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:45:34]:
48.
Marc Champagne [00:45:35]:
What’s. Yeah, like, what’s on your mind? What’s got you energized? What are you looking forward to?
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:45:40]:
Yeah. So I am loving life right now. I am loving myself. I’m loving this version of myself. I love who I’m involving into. I love the conversations I get to have. I love disrupting. Disrupting the thought patterns of people so that they can shift into a new reality.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:45:58]:
So, I mean, the work I do every single day, I absolutely love it how that shows up in various formats. You know, as I stated earlier, we just finished our annual live event. It’s amazing. Three days of Just complete transformation. Like we had the after. We always do an after party when the event’s over a few weeks later. Just giving people an opportunity to get home and get reacclimated and just listening to the stories and watching the tears fall of how people’s lives literally changed in three days. And so we introduced some new programs this year.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:46:33]:
And so I’m really excited about the clients that we’re onboarding right now that I’m going to get to work with over the next 12 months to help them to not only grow their businesses, but to grow themselves. Because I don’t think you can scale your business without scaling yourself.
Marc Champagne [00:46:49]:
No.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:46:50]:
Right. You’ve got to create capacity for this new up leveled version of yourself to be able to have a place to live when it’s all said and done. And so I’m excited about creating capacity and helping people to demystify some of the thoughts and beliefs that they hold that don’t serve them, never serve them, and will finally be put to rest so that they can step fully into the version of themselves that is supposed to exist in this season of their life. And that excites the hell out of me.
Marc Champagne [00:47:20]:
That excites me. And now it makes sense because before we hit record, you said something to the effect of, you know, your work and these programs. The only thing that’s, that’s the same about a person that comes through a program or the event is essentially their name.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:47:37]:
But I do my job right.
Marc Champagne [00:47:38]:
Yeah, but I feel like just even in this conversation, like that feels very true. I can see what you’re doing and like even in the short time, I mean I’ve got, I’ve wrote down a bunch of questions that I can’t wait to just take some time and sit with and you know, unlock some new components of the mind and let some stuff go and let what needs to surface, surface. So that’s awesome. Super exciting. Yeah. So where, where can people learn more about what you’re up to? Dive in a little deeper or sign up for any of the programs? You know, just take, just take ownership of, of their, their minds and lives and, and have just what, what comes to me is just have like exponential good impact around the world.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:48:25]:
Yeah. Yeah, that feels really, really good. You can go to movetomillions.com movetomillions.com it’s a digest site and from there you can learn about my book, my podcast, you know, all the things, all the things we do are right there for [email protected] Amazing.
Marc Champagne [00:48:44]:
Any final words for everyone listening.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:48:47]:
I want to just encourage you to keep testing the limits, keep asking yourself the questions. And when you finish asking the last question, you know, to ask, ask what would Abundance do?
Marc Champagne [00:49:01]:
Yeah, that one. Amazing.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:49:02]:
That’s what I want you to do.
Marc Champagne [00:49:04]:
Yeah. You are one breath of fresh air, beautiful energy in this world. I mean, I want to thank you for taking time to come on the show, but a higher thank you for just clearly spending the time in thought and reflection to really uncover the best version of yourself. And I know that continues to evolve, but I can feel it. And I think there are so not. I think, I know there are so many people benefiting from that and then the ripple effect of their work benefits others. So thanks for, you know, being true to yourself and just continuing to rock the journey.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:49:41]:
Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for the acknowledgement and the safe space to be myself and to offer something to your listeners that will hopefully help them to continue to live into their shift. Wasn’t that a good conversation? Omg. I listened back to it in preparation to put it on the show this week and man, the amount of notes I wrote based on what I had to share on his show. So I know it was a game changer for you. I’m so excited that you had an opportunity to listen. And even more important than that, I’m excited because we are on the precipice of something truly incredible coming into your life experience.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:50:37]:
That’s right, it is Move to Millions Live event season once again. We always kick off at the start of Black Friday and Cyber Monday was an amazing, outrageous. Can’t believe we’re doing this kind of deal. So we want to make sure that you check us out all holiday weekend long. For those of you who are here in the United States, if you’re not in the United States, you can still benefit from our Black Friday through Cyber Monday sale. To get your ticket to join us live at Move to Millions live May 21st through the 23rd, 2025 in either Washington, D.C. area or Atlanta, Georgia area. And of course, that Tuesday, May 20th will be our VIP day.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:51:18]:
And there are some of the bonuses that are waiting for you when you grab your ticket on Black Friday. Everything is waiting for you right [email protected] I’ll see you guys again soon. Take care. Thank you for joining me for the Move to Millions podcast. If this episode has impacted you in any way, would you please take a moment and rate and review? Doing so helps us to deepen our impact and expand our reach around the world. And if you are ready to start your very own Move to Millions, I highly recommend that you order your very own copy of my brand new best selling book Move to Millions. The proven framework to become a million dollar CEO. With grace and ease instead of hustle and grind.
Darnyelle Jervey Harmon [00:52:03]:
You can get your copy and our bonuses today at movetomillions book.com until next time. Remember, remember, millions are your birthright and to access them you need only move. I’ll see you next time.
